[Faith-talk] Mandates On Who Can and Can't Have Children?

[Beth]

I heard that in North Korea, they put disabled people in subhuman
goulags where having children i not permitted.  That is according to
Human Rights Watch.  God bless those people and hope that Kim Jong Il
is deposed.
Beth

On 11/14/08, tribble <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, I would love children, but have chosen the path of not pressing for
> that blessing because of the combination of disabilities I have -- I figured
> early on that I would be happy being a doting aunt and a help to others with
> kids rather than taking on a family myself -- oh yes, and that reminds me,
> I'm single... Can't have kids very easily without a spouse.  (Any interested
> potential spouses out there can feel free to email me privately --and of
> course you know I'm kidding...*smile*)
> I absolutely loved spoiling my niece and nephews when they were growing
> up... and I think their parents appreciated it. When I was still walking I
> babysat my oldest nephew and became very attached to him. Over the years,
> all the kids have stayed with me and my mother for various lengths of time.
> And now they are grown.
> Well, good luck to those with kids. It's a strange world to grow up in.
> Wasn't there a chinese blessing that went "my you not live in interesting
> times..."  Interesting times can be fun, but also hazardous.
> Keep up the good work.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Everett Gavel" <EverettG at successfuladaptations.com>; "Faith-talk,for
> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Mandates On Who Can and Can't Have Children?
>
>
> You're right, Everet.  And I want children more than anything.  It
> would be nice if I had childrn of my own, but how to get them if I'm
> not married.
> Beth
>
> On 11/14/08, Everett Gavel <everettg at successfuladaptations.com> wrote:
>> "Can't imagine a mandate on who can't have them?"  Ah,
>> now we're getting into deep territory here. And it has
>> everything to do with faith and blindness, so no
>> worries there. Regarding this thing on telling blind
>> people they can't be parents or have children or
>> whatever, there are some points to consider.
>>
>> *  In some other countries, China for example, I
>> believe there are already mandates on how many children
>> can be had.  No, not on blind people, but on everyone.
>>
>> *  There are also those leaders in our own USA that
>> believe there should be such limits on people here.  If
>> you give thought to it, it's not all that far from
>> telling, next, who can or cannot have children.
>> Thankfully we have not yet openly made a practice of
>> limiting how many children each family can have.  But
>> they are already doing so in other countries.  And
>> again, it's not so far fetched or so far beyond such a
>> decree, to begin telling various groupings of people
>> they can or cannot have children.
>>
>> *  In this country, they are already giving the option
>> of aborting babies with certain genetics, such as the
>> likelihood of, what is it, Downs Syndrome, I think?
>> How different is that, really?  It's us, here in
>> America, already saying that people with disabilities -
>> or at least, certain disabilities - don't deserve to
>> live.
>>
>> *  How much farther do we have to step (I say step as
>> it's not much of a jump) to say people with
>> disabilities don't deserve certain rights, either?
>> They've already begun taking away the right to life,
>> for some with disabilities.
>>
>> Ponder that for a few minutes.  It's sad, and even a
>> little scary, that such a world is already here, not
>> just a possibility.  The people who want that as the
>> rule, are right now trying to get into power and to
>> sway the current leaders to get legislation as such,
>> every day.  Some of our current leaders and some just
>> elected I'm sure, are also following that line of
>> thought.
>>
>> Don't fool yourself into thinking it's not so.  If you
>> pay attention, you'll see it all around you.
>>
>> It's a death culture, not a life culture, that is
>> rising up.  Christ's people are being pushed down,
>> we're not rising up.  At least, not in as much of a
>> significant way as the death culture is.  It is here,
>> and it certainly is, "now."  So be wary, and don't
>> think the possibility of being told how many children
>> you can have, or that you can't have children, doesn't
>> exist.
>>
>>
>> Strive On!
>> Everett
>> www.everettgavel.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>I think that's just silly talk.
>>>
>>> It's an issue that no one really cares about.  Stupid
>>> people have children all the time so how can they be
>>> any worse than a blind person or a deaf person?
>>> There may be many who are willfully killing children
>>> but I can't imagine a mandate on who can't have them.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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