[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.

Sun Nov 17 04:08:57 UTC 2013

One thing that I do not like is that he has his messages set up in such a 
way that when you respond to him, you are not able to get the feed back from 
everybody he is sending messages out to, so he monopolises the points of 
views that he wants people to hear. On this list he can not do that of 
corse, but it is still questionable at best IMO.
Blessings
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> If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in your 
> email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>
> As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and found the 
> exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>
> Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith and not 
> the Christian faith in particular.
>
> I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but think a 
> lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>
> Doris in Lutherland
> At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>
>>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? ----- 
>>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To: 
>>><Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21 AM 
>>>Subject: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about. > This is a 
>>>very important post. > > > > This is the subject, which nobody talks 
>>>about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and share. > > > > So, what is 
>>>Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political movement, which 
>>>originally descends from > a gravely radical element of Protestantism. 
>>>They mostly live abroad, > particularly, in the United states, and they 
>>>are theologically motivated > by the christian zionist notorious 
>>>influence.  They predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation of 
>>>the Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that particular 
>>>doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key directors of this 
>>>extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee, the > radical evangelical 
>>>Televangelist Pat Robertson, the fabricating author, > Robert Spencer 
>>>with his awful companion, the liar Pamela Geller, and > finally, the 
>>>heavily prevaricator and eternally expelled ex Coptic Father, > zakaria 
>>>botros. Due to his stubborn profanity and inflammatory remarks, he > was 
>>>permanently banned from the Coptic Church. I personally verified that > 
>>>with local coptic officials. He was eternally banished from the Church 
>>>for > his shameful misbehaviors and verbal assaults. He is now a radical 
>>> > Protestant apologist, currently inhabits the United states. 
>>>Formerly, > he used to be an actor at the Church. He currently lives in 
>>>the United > states, and he is in a regular communication with the 
>>>radical missionaries > I just listed above. He is quite popular for his 
>>>anti-islam views, his > affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable 
>>>statements,     his intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations, and 
>>>acrimonious corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance, he wickedly 
>>>insulted muslim women who wear Hijab. > He sarcastically described them 
>>>them as the darken tents. He said horrible > things about our noble 
>>>prophet, (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam), and he > wickedly abused his 
>>>wives.   He deliberately devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, 
>>>to develop and promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic 
>>>teachings.   Well however, his malefactor   equivocations were > 
>>>informatively countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by Doctor 
>>> > Fadel Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim clerics.  Well > 
>>>ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists are quite known for their 
>>> > enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They strongly adhere a 
>>> > Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority to advocate for guarding > 
>>>Israel national security. They constantly call for that in the Congress, 
>>> > and in another major domestic political assemblies in the United 
>>>states. > Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts, to 
>>>essentially invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses. I was 
>>>previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch Zakaria 
>>>botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab, and another one is 
>>>American. I would like > to thank them pretty much for their sincere 
>>>advice. They just helped me > exposing to the publicity who Zakaria 
>>>botros is. They never searched who > is Zakaria Botros , nor they never 
>>>bothered themselves to just verify > whether he was theologically 
>>>certified to talk about Islam the way he > does. They just liked the 
>>>fact, that he appears in the television, > assaulting Islam, and posing 
>>>incorrect alegations about Islamic sources. > > > > > > Little that they 
>>>know about the so called Zakaria botros religious > bigotry, his 
>>>malicious intent, and his terrific perfidy to his egyptian > identity. He 
>>>calls Egypt a terrorist state, wavering that notion to those > who he may 
>>>be in touch with at the Congress, while attempting to encourage > them to 
>>>potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity, and to even > occupy 
>>>Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even insulted the coptic > 
>>>Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly evidenced against him, that 
>>> > he stands behind the nigrified curtains of innocence of muslims, the > 
>>>detrimental film which sparked outrage and violence around the world. > 
>>>Although, he doesn't directly appear at the front, but it is allegedly > 
>>>leavened that he is actually behind the seen, and that all the > 
>>>reprehensible concepts were actually inspired by his hateful views. > Is 
>>>that your best role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just find any better? > 
>>>I'm personally convinced that Zakaria botros and his assimilators are > 
>>>tremendously inspired by a hidden plot, a deeply concealed Zionist 
>>>agenda. > The coptic church is extremely commendable for formally 
>>>disposing this > maligned hater. I would like his supporters to present 
>>>their significant > evidence, that proves his exoneration if they have 
>>>any. Furthermore, I > would kindly ask my respectful recipients, to just 
>>>hit over to the > following URL: > > > > > > http://www.cufi.org > > > > 
>>> > > Christians United for Israel. Or CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This 
>>>is the official website of this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon 
>>>Hagee. Many christian organizations in the United states today, are > 
>>>utterly affiliated with that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by > 
>>>Christian organizations and individuals around the country. You may tour 
>>> > their website, and then, you may possibly ask yourself; > > > > > > 
>>>What on earth a religious association has to do with political interests? 
>>> > > > > > > Why they would be affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly 
>>>fundraises, to > supply Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present 
>>>conspicuous evidents that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > 
>>> > > > Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the 
>>>United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian sustainable 
>>>alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual summit of 2012, 
>>>Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this particular convention. > > 
>>>Here you go: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > 
>>> > > > > > Kindly, can someone explain to me, what does that mean? > > > > 
>>> > > > > The major essence of this Christian dispensationalism is of its 
>>>political > apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in spades. > 
>>> > > > You may watch this. > > > > 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > > Now, how can we 
>>>determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist or not? > > > > What do 
>>>we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at its inception, we need to 
>>>verify, whether someone or his Church > congregation are affiliated with 
>>>any significant assets in Israel. > > > > Secondly, we need to verify 
>>>whether someone or his Church congregation are > radically assaulting 
>>>Islam, considering it as a major threat. > > > >   Furthermore, we need 
>>>to verify whether someone or his Church > congregation are publishing 
>>>hateful materials about Islam, Muslims, and > Muslim countries. > > > > I 
>>>am skeptic of using the compound term, the middle east. Because it's an > 
>>>Israeli recognition. > > > > There are many Christian Zionist websites 
>>>and online publications. > > > > Well amongst them are: > > > > 
>>>faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org, muslimhope.org, and the list goes on. > 
>>> > Well, I am sharing this to essentially expand the mass awareness and > 
>>>consciousness about religious extremism. > > > > As I am intensely 
>>>against the brotherhood religious extremism, I am also > against the 
>>>Christian religious extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination 
>>>decided to highjack its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, 
>>>that would probably be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a 
>>>broadly controversial term, it reflects a negative > connotation, and in 
>>>my humble opinion, it hasn't yet been accurately > defined. > > > > 
>>>Do you want to know what the term Zionist actually means? > > > > Listen 
>>>to its principles layed out by a former Zionist figure, Benjamin > 
>>>Freedman. > > > > Benjamin Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech 
>>>to his nation in > 1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of 
>>>growing Zionism. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > 
>>> > > > Zionism is any faithful movement, which trespasses the religious 
>>>tennets > of its denomination,  to essentially attain political 
>>>ambitions, or > financial global dominance. > > > >  Zionist Jews and 
>>>Christians are influentially imposing their eminent > authority onto the 
>>>decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This is not a secret 
>>>for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to veil, many Americans 
>>>unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and disinformed. > > > > My post 
>>>hasn't been intended to denounce or to desecrate someone's faith. > > > > 
>>>To the contrary, I just intended to widespread awareness and 
>>>enlightenment > to my friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, 
>>>they all are sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are advocating 
>>>for tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or disagree on 
>>>certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about is totally of 
>>>a different story. > > > > I am warning about a political apostasy, which 
>>>commits  atrocities in the > name of the divine. > > > > I hope I haven't 
>>>offended anyone. > > > > My post is intended to address the difference in 
>>>between religious > devotion and, the vicious   defection which aims to 
>>>gain political > interest, throughout misusing religious symbols. > > > > 
>>>There could be Zionist Jews, Christian Zionists, or even, Muslim Zionists 
>>> > for that matter. > > > > Yes, definitely. > > > > And this is why we 
>>>rejected the brotherhood ruling Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing 
>>>religious symbols, for essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly 
>>>restricting them, and invalidly speaking on God's > behalf. > > > > I 
>>>personally consider Iran as a Zionist Muslim state. > > > > The United 
>>>states is a Zionist Christian state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish 
>>>state. > > > > They all highjack religious fundamentals for political 
>>>gains. > > > > This is a turning point. > > > >    Zionism is the major 
>>>threat to the whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of 
>>>religious extremism in all religions, which > nourishes radicalism, 
>>>terrorism, and atrocity. > > I quite recognize the Christian Zionist 
>>>pestiferous influence on American > media. > > These people ought to be 
>>>firmly stood against. > > They label Islam as their major threat, and 
>>>they constantly promote > poisonous thoughts about Islam. > > They are 
>>>unified with the racial state of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian 
>>>dispensationalism and   Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just 
>>>criticize Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this subject, 
>>>over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn Americans, Muslims, 
>>>Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of this eminent threat. > > 
>>>Christian Zionism is even more dangerous than Jewish Zionism. > > They 
>>>misuse religious symbles to deceive their audience. > > Please, it 
>>>doesn't matter where do you live in the world. > > It doesn't matter who 
>>>you are, or what's your religion. > > You must recognize, that Christian 
>>>Zionist Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state of Israel, 
>>>whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate atrocities, which 
>>>Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian civilians, either 
>>>they were Muslims, or Christians. >    In addition, Christian Zionist 
>>>Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, > Neuclar bombing of Palestinian 
>>>civil means, as long as that justifys > expanding the settlement 
>>>construction of Israel military occupation. > > Christian Zionist 
>>>Evangelists encourage nourishing the radical sense and > sectarian strife 
>>>among Muslims and Christians in mostly populated Muslim > countries, to 
>>>justify the foreign intervension to defy the fraudulently > proclaimed 
>>>religious persecution   which they emphatically fabricate. > > 
>>>Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The real myth is to attempt denying 
>>>its existence and its effective > presence onto the United states 
>>>political rhetoric. > > Please, don't think I am exaggerating. > > Help 
>>>me spreading the cautionary sentiment, warning the people about the > 
>>>Christian Zionist influential authority. > If you were a Christian, and 
>>>you attempted to somehow belittle the subject's > substantial enormity, I 
>>>am afraid that I will have to consider you > involved, or influenced by 
>>>this political ideology. > > > 
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