[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Doris and Chris
chipmunks at gmx.net
Sun Nov 17 04:50:04 UTC 2013
If you want to go your reply to him back to list, why not just type
in the list address manually? With many lists that do not allow
posting to several lists at a time, this is my standard procedure anyway.
hth
Doris
At 07:08 PM 11/16/2013 -0900, you wrote:
>One thing that I do not like is that he has his messages set up in
>such a way that when you respond to him, you are not able to get the
>feed back from everybody he is sending messages out to, so he
>monopolises the points of views that he wants people to hear. On
>this list he can not do that of corse, but it is still questionable
>at best IMO.
>Blessings
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>>If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in
>>your email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>>
>>As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and
>>found the exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>>
>>Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith
>>and not the Christian faith in particular.
>>
>>I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but
>>think a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>>
>>Doris in Lutherland
>>At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>>
>>>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? -----
>>>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa"
>>>><mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent:
>>>>Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21 AM Subject: [Faith-talk] The
>>>>subject which noone talks about. > This is a very important
>>>>post. > > > > This is the subject, which nobody talks
>>>>about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and share. > > > > So,
>>>>what is Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political
>>>>movement, which originally descends from > a gravely radical
>>>>element of Protestantism. They mostly live abroad, >
>>>>particularly, in the United states, and they are theologically
>>>>motivated > by the christian zionist notorious influence. They
>>>>predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation of the
>>>>Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that
>>>>particular doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key
>>>>directors of this extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee,
>>>>the > radical evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the
>>>>fabricating author, > Robert Spencer with his awful companion,
>>>>the liar Pamela Geller, and > finally, the heavily prevaricator
>>>>and eternally expelled ex Coptic Father, > zakaria botros. Due to
>>>>his stubborn profanity and inflammatory remarks, he > was
>>>>permanently banned from the Coptic Church. I personally verified
>>>>that > with local coptic officials. He was eternally banished
>>>>from the Church for > his shameful misbehaviors and verbal
>>>>assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant apologist, currently
>>>>inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he used to be an actor at
>>>>the Church. He currently lives in the United > states, and he is
>>>>in a regular communication with the radical missionaries > I just
>>>>listed above. He is quite popular for his anti-islam views, his >
>>>>affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable statements, his
>>>>intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations, and acrimonious
>>>>corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance, he wickedly
>>>>insulted muslim women who wear Hijab. > He sarcastically
>>>>described them them as the darken tents. He said horrible >
>>>>things about our noble prophet, (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam),
>>>>and he > wickedly abused his wives. He deliberately devises the
>>>>meaning which > helps him to forge, to develop and promote an
>>>>assaulting propaganda about > Islamic teachings. Well however,
>>>>his malefactor equivocations were > informatively countered,
>>>>substantially refuted and invalidated by Doctor > Fadel Solomon,
>>>>along with many other prominent muslim clerics. Well >
>>>>ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists are quite known
>>>>for their > enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They
>>>>strongly adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority
>>>>to advocate for guarding > Israel national security. They
>>>>constantly call for that in the Congress, > and in another major
>>>>domestic political assemblies in the United states. >
>>>>Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts, to essentially
>>>>invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses. I was
>>>>previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch
>>>>Zakaria botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab,
>>>>and another one is American. I would like > to thank them pretty
>>>>much for their sincere advice. They just helped me > exposing to
>>>>the publicity who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who > is
>>>>Zakaria Botros , nor they never bothered themselves to just
>>>>verify > whether he was theologically certified to talk about
>>>>Islam the way he > does. They just liked the fact, that he
>>>>appears in the television, > assaulting Islam, and posing
>>>>incorrect alegations about Islamic sources. > > > > > > Little
>>>>that they know about the so called Zakaria botros religious >
>>>>bigotry, his malicious intent, and his terrific perfidy to his
>>>>egyptian > identity. He calls Egypt a terrorist state, wavering
>>>>that notion to those > who he may be in touch with at the
>>>>Congress, while attempting to encourage > them to potentially
>>>>label Egypt as a threatening entity, and to even > occupy Egypt
>>>>militarily if that was necessary. He even insulted the coptic >
>>>>Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly evidenced against
>>>>him, that > he stands behind the nigrified curtains of innocence
>>>>of muslims, the > detrimental film which sparked outrage and
>>>>violence around the world. > Although, he doesn't directly appear
>>>>at the front, but it is allegedly > leavened that he is actually
>>>>behind the seen, and that all the > reprehensible concepts were
>>>>actually inspired by his hateful views. > Is that your best
>>>>role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just find any better? > I'm
>>>>personally convinced that Zakaria botros and his assimilators
>>>>are > tremendously inspired by a hidden plot, a deeply concealed
>>>>Zionist agenda. > The coptic church is extremely commendable for
>>>>formally disposing this > maligned hater. I would like his
>>>>supporters to present their significant > evidence, that proves
>>>>his exoneration if they have any. Furthermore, I > would kindly
>>>>ask my respectful recipients, to just hit over to the > following
>>>>URL: > > > > > > http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians
>>>>United for Israel. Or CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the
>>>>official website of this lobby, which was founded by Pastor >
>>>>Jhon Hagee. Many christian organizations in the United states
>>>>today, are > utterly affiliated with that radical lobby. It's
>>>>largely sponsored by > Christian organizations and individuals
>>>>around the country. You may tour > their website, and then, you
>>>>may possibly ask yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a religious
>>>>association has to do with political interests? > > > > > > Why
>>>>they would be affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly
>>>>fundraises, to > supply Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can
>>>>present conspicuous evidents that substantially proves my >
>>>>proclaimation. > > > > > > Christians United for Israel is the
>>>>largest Christian lobby in the United > states, which essentially
>>>>advocates for Christian sustainable alignment > with the state of
>>>>Israel. In their annual summit of 2012, Netanyahu was > the
>>>>keynote speaker for this particular convention. > > Here you
>>>>go: > > > > > >
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > > > > > >
>>>>Kindly, can someone explain to me, what does that
>>>>mean? > > > > > > > > The major essence of this Christian
>>>>dispensationalism is of its political > apostasy. They label
>>>>Islam as their common enemy in spades. > > > > You may watch
>>>>this. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > >
>>>>Now, how can we determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist
>>>>or not? > > > > What do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at
>>>>its inception, we need to verify, whether someone or his Church >
>>>>congregation are affiliated with any significant assets in
>>>>Israel. > > > > Secondly, we need to verify whether someone or
>>>>his Church congregation are > radically assaulting Islam,
>>>>considering it as a major threat. > > > > Furthermore, we need
>>>>to verify whether someone or his Church > congregation are
>>>>publishing hateful materials about Islam, Muslims, and > Muslim
>>>>countries. > > > > I am skeptic of using the compound term, the
>>>>middle east. Because it's an > Israeli recognition. > > > > There
>>>>are many Christian Zionist websites and online
>>>>publications. > > > > Well amongst them are: > > > >
>>>>faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org, muslimhope.org, and the list
>>>>goes on. > > Well, I am sharing this to essentially expand the
>>>>mass awareness and > consciousness about religious
>>>>extremism. > > > > As I am intensely against the brotherhood
>>>>religious extremism, I am also > against the Christian religious
>>>>extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination decided to
>>>>highjack its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, that
>>>>would probably be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a
>>>>broadly controversial term, it reflects a negative > connotation,
>>>>and in my humble opinion, it hasn't yet been accurately >
>>>>defined. > > > > Do you want to know what the term Zionist
>>>>actually means? > > > > Listen to its principles layed out by a
>>>>former Zionist figure, Benjamin > Freedman. > > > > Benjamin
>>>>Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech to his nation in >
>>>>1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of growing
>>>>Zionism. > > > > > >
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > > Zionism is any
>>>>faithful movement, which trespasses the religious tennets > of
>>>>its denomination, to essentially attain political ambitions,
>>>>or > financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and
>>>>Christians are influentially imposing their eminent > authority
>>>>onto the decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This
>>>>is not a secret for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to
>>>>veil, many Americans unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and
>>>>disinformed. > > > > My post hasn't been intended to denounce or
>>>>to desecrate someone's faith. > > > > To the contrary, I just
>>>>intended to widespread awareness and enlightenment > to my
>>>>friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, they all are
>>>>sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are advocating for
>>>>tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or disagree on
>>>>certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about is
>>>>totally of a different story. > > > > I am warning about a
>>>>political apostasy, which commits atrocities in the > name of
>>>>the divine. > > > > I hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My
>>>>post is intended to address the difference in between religious >
>>>>devotion and, the vicious defection which aims to gain
>>>>political > interest, throughout misusing religious
>>>>symbols. > > > > There could be Zionist Jews, Christian Zionists,
>>>>or even, Muslim Zionists > for that matter. > > > > Yes,
>>>>definitely. > > > > And this is why we rejected the brotherhood
>>>>ruling Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing religious
>>>>symbols, for essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly
>>>>restricting them, and invalidly speaking on God's >
>>>>behalf. > > > > I personally consider Iran as a Zionist Muslim
>>>>state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist Christian
>>>>state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > > They
>>>>all highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > >
>>>>This is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat
>>>>to the whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of
>>>>religious extremism in all religions, which > nourishes
>>>>radicalism, terrorism, and atrocity. > > I quite recognize the
>>>>Christian Zionist pestiferous influence on American > media. > >
>>>>These people ought to be firmly stood against. > > They label
>>>>Islam as their major threat, and they constantly promote >
>>>>poisonous thoughts about Islam. > > They are unified with the
>>>>racial state of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian
>>>>dispensationalism and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just
>>>>criticize Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this
>>>>subject, over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn
>>>>Americans, Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of
>>>>this eminent threat. > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous
>>>>than Jewish Zionism. > > They misuse religious symbles to deceive
>>>>their audience. > > Please, it doesn't matter where do you live
>>>>in the world. > > It doesn't matter who you are, or what's your
>>>>religion. > > You must recognize, that Christian Zionist
>>>>Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state of Israel,
>>>>whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate atrocities,
>>>>which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>>>civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In
>>>>addition, Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, >
>>>>Neuclar bombing of Palestinian civil means, as long as that
>>>>justifys > expanding the settlement construction of Israel
>>>>military occupation. > > Christian Zionist Evangelists encourage
>>>>nourishing the radical sense and > sectarian strife among Muslims
>>>>and Christians in mostly populated Muslim > countries, to justify
>>>>the foreign intervension to defy the fraudulently > proclaimed
>>>>religious persecution which they emphatically fabricate. > >
>>>>Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The real myth is to attempt
>>>>denying its existence and its effective > presence onto the
>>>>United states political rhetoric. > > Please, don't think I am
>>>>exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the cautionary sentiment,
>>>>warning the people about the > Christian Zionist influential
>>>>authority. > If you were a Christian, and you attempted to
>>>>somehow belittle the subject's > substantial enormity, I am
>>>>afraid that I will have to consider you > involved, or influenced
>>>>by this political ideology. > > >
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