[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Poppa Bear
heavens4real at gmail.com
Sun Nov 17 06:49:07 UTC 2013
Well because typicly when you email to a list of people you may expect to be
able to hear other peoples responses to that email in order to create a
dialog of the different views. When you hit reply to a message that has been
sent to a group of people you are able to have your message reply to
everybody, but he hides that part and it doesn't allow the different
perspectives to be able to be exchanged within the group of people he feels
that he wants to evangelise.
God bless his heart for his persistance, I am glad that most of the
Christians have not unloaded the same amunission against his faith, because
I find that gets no where, I mean, for every email that is sent to critasize
Christianity just as many could be sent back about his faith. I do seek to
clerify his misconseptions about things that I feel he has completely
backwards, but I haven't seen him acknowledge any point I or others have
ever made in defence of the scriptures or Christianity, but I could be wrong
in my observation, Lord knows.
In His loving grip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doris and Chris" <chipmunks at gmx.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
> If you want to go your reply to him back to list, why not just type in the
> list address manually? With many lists that do not allow posting to
> several lists at a time, this is my standard procedure anyway.
>
> hth
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> Doris
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> At 07:08 PM 11/16/2013 -0900, you wrote:
>>One thing that I do not like is that he has his messages set up in such a
>>way that when you respond to him, you are not able to get the feed back
>>from everybody he is sending messages out to, so he monopolises the points
>>of views that he wants people to hear. On this list he can not do that of
>>corse, but it is still questionable at best IMO.
>>Blessings
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:49 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
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>>>If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in your
>>>email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>>>
>>>As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and found the
>>>exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>>>
>>>Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith and not
>>>the Christian faith in particular.
>>>
>>>I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but think
>>>a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>>>
>>>Doris in Lutherland
>>>At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>>>
>>>>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? -----
>>>>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To:
>>>>><Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21 AM
>>>>>Subject: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about. > This is a
>>>>>very important post. > > > > This is the subject, which nobody talks
>>>>>about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and share. > > > > So, what is
>>>>>Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political movement, which
>>>>>originally descends from > a gravely radical element of Protestantism.
>>>>>They mostly live abroad, > particularly, in the United states, and they
>>>>>are theologically motivated > by the christian zionist notorious
>>>>>influence. They predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation
>>>>>of the Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that
>>>>>particular doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key
>>>>>directors of this extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee, the >
>>>>>radical evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the fabricating
>>>>>author, > Robert Spencer with his awful companion, the liar Pamela
>>>>>Geller, and > finally, the heavily prevaricator and eternally expelled
>>>>>ex Coptic Father, > zakaria botros. Due to his stubborn profanity and
>>>>>inflammatory remarks, he > was permanently banned from the Coptic
>>>>>Church. I personally verified that > with local coptic officials. He
>>>>>was eternally banished from the Church for > his shameful misbehaviors
>>>>>and verbal assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant apologist,
>>>>>currently inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he used to be an
>>>>>actor at the Church. He currently lives in the United > states, and he
>>>>>is in a regular communication with the radical missionaries > I just
>>>>>listed above. He is quite popular for his anti-islam views, his >
>>>>>affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable statements, his
>>>>>intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations, and acrimonious
>>>>>corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance, he wickedly insulted
>>>>>muslim women who wear Hijab. > He sarcastically described them them as
>>>>>the darken tents. He said horrible > things about our noble prophet,
>>>>>(salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam), and he > wickedly abused his wives.
>>>>>He deliberately devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, to
>>>>>develop and promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic teachings.
>>>>>Well however, his malefactor equivocations were > informatively
>>>>>countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by Doctor > Fadel
>>>>>Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim clerics. Well >
>>>>>ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists are quite known for
>>>>>their > enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They strongly
>>>>>adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority to advocate for
>>>>>guarding > Israel national security. They constantly call for that in
>>>>>the Congress, > and in another major domestic political assemblies in
>>>>>the United states. > Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts,
>>>>>to essentially invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses. I
>>>>>was previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch
>>>>>Zakaria botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab, and
>>>>>another one is American. I would like > to thank them pretty much for
>>>>>their sincere advice. They just helped me > exposing to the publicity
>>>>>who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who > is Zakaria Botros ,
>>>>>nor they never bothered themselves to just verify > whether he was
>>>>>theologically certified to talk about Islam the way he > does. They
>>>>>just liked the fact, that he appears in the television, > assaulting
>>>>>Islam, and posing incorrect alegations about Islamic sources. > > > > >
>>>>> > Little that they know about the so called Zakaria botros religious >
>>>>>bigotry, his malicious intent, and his terrific perfidy to his egyptian
>>>>> > identity. He calls Egypt a terrorist state, wavering that notion to
>>>>>those > who he may be in touch with at the Congress, while attempting
>>>>>to encourage > them to potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity,
>>>>>and to even > occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even
>>>>>insulted the coptic > Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly
>>>>>evidenced against him, that > he stands behind the nigrified curtains
>>>>>of innocence of muslims, the > detrimental film which sparked outrage
>>>>>and violence around the world. > Although, he doesn't directly appear
>>>>>at the front, but it is allegedly > leavened that he is actually behind
>>>>>the seen, and that all the > reprehensible concepts were actually
>>>>>inspired by his hateful views. > Is that your best role-model sir? Wow.
>>>>>Couldn't you just find any better? > I'm personally convinced that
>>>>>Zakaria botros and his assimilators are > tremendously inspired by a
>>>>>hidden plot, a deeply concealed Zionist agenda. > The coptic church is
>>>>>extremely commendable for formally disposing this > maligned hater. I
>>>>>would like his supporters to present their significant > evidence, that
>>>>>proves his exoneration if they have any. Furthermore, I > would kindly
>>>>>ask my respectful recipients, to just hit over to the > following URL:
>>>>> > > > > > > http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians United for
>>>>>Israel. Or CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the official website
>>>>>of this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon Hagee. Many christian
>>>>>organizations in the United states today, are > utterly affiliated with
>>>>>that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by > Christian organizations
>>>>>and individuals around the country. You may tour > their website, and
>>>>>then, you may possibly ask yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a
>>>>>religious association has to do with political interests? > > > > > >
>>>>>Why they would be affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly fundraises,
>>>>>to > supply Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present conspicuous
>>>>>evidents that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > > > >
>>>>>Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the
>>>>>United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian sustainable
>>>>>alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual summit of 2012,
>>>>>Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this particular convention. > >
>>>>>Here you go: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > >
>>>>> > > > > > > Kindly, can someone explain to me, what does that mean? > >
>>>>> > > > > > > The major essence of this Christian dispensationalism is of
>>>>>its political > apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in
>>>>>spades. > > > > You may watch this. > > > >
>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > > Now, how can we
>>>>>determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist or not? > > > > What
>>>>>do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at its inception, we need to
>>>>>verify, whether someone or his Church > congregation are affiliated
>>>>>with any significant assets in Israel. > > > > Secondly, we need to
>>>>>verify whether someone or his Church congregation are > radically
>>>>>assaulting Islam, considering it as a major threat. > > > >
>>>>>Furthermore, we need to verify whether someone or his Church >
>>>>>congregation are publishing hateful materials about Islam, Muslims, and
>>>>> > Muslim countries. > > > > I am skeptic of using the compound term,
>>>>>the middle east. Because it's an > Israeli recognition. > > > > There
>>>>>are many Christian Zionist websites and online publications. > > > >
>>>>>Well amongst them are: > > > > faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org,
>>>>>muslimhope.org, and the list goes on. > > Well, I am sharing this to
>>>>>essentially expand the mass awareness and > consciousness about
>>>>>religious extremism. > > > > As I am intensely against the brotherhood
>>>>>religious extremism, I am also > against the Christian religious
>>>>>extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination decided to highjack
>>>>>its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, that would probably
>>>>>be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a broadly controversial
>>>>>term, it reflects a negative > connotation, and in my humble opinion,
>>>>>it hasn't yet been accurately > defined. > > > > Do you want to know
>>>>>what the term Zionist actually means? > > > > Listen to its principles
>>>>>layed out by a former Zionist figure, Benjamin > Freedman. > > > >
>>>>>Benjamin Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech to his nation in
>>>>> > 1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of growing Zionism. > >
>>>>> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > > Zionism is
>>>>>any faithful movement, which trespasses the religious tennets > of its
>>>>>denomination, to essentially attain political ambitions, or >
>>>>>financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and Christians are
>>>>>influentially imposing their eminent > authority onto the decision
>>>>>making arena in the United states. > > > > This is not a secret for
>>>>>sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to veil, many Americans
>>>>>unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and disinformed. > > > > My
>>>>>post hasn't been intended to denounce or to desecrate someone's faith.
>>>>> > > > > To the contrary, I just intended to widespread awareness and
>>>>>enlightenment > to my friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and
>>>>>Islam, they all are sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are
>>>>>advocating for tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or
>>>>>disagree on certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about
>>>>>is totally of a different story. > > > > I am warning about a political
>>>>>apostasy, which commits atrocities in the > name of the divine. > > >
>>>>> > I hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My post is intended to
>>>>>address the difference in between religious > devotion and, the vicious
>>>>>defection which aims to gain political > interest, throughout misusing
>>>>>religious symbols. > > > > There could be Zionist Jews, Christian
>>>>>Zionists, or even, Muslim Zionists > for that matter. > > > > Yes,
>>>>>definitely. > > > > And this is why we rejected the brotherhood ruling
>>>>>Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing religious symbols, for
>>>>>essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly restricting them, and
>>>>>invalidly speaking on God's > behalf. > > > > I personally consider
>>>>>Iran as a Zionist Muslim state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist
>>>>>Christian state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > >
>>>>>They all highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > >
>>>>>This is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat to the
>>>>>whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of religious extremism
>>>>>in all religions, which > nourishes radicalism, terrorism, and
>>>>>atrocity. > > I quite recognize the Christian Zionist pestiferous
>>>>>influence on American > media. > > These people ought to be firmly
>>>>>stood against. > > They label Islam as their major threat, and they
>>>>>constantly promote > poisonous thoughts about Islam. > > They are
>>>>>unified with the racial state of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian
>>>>>dispensationalism and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just
>>>>>criticize Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this
>>>>>subject, over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn Americans,
>>>>>Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of this eminent threat.
>>>>> > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous than Jewish Zionism. > >
>>>>>They misuse religious symbles to deceive their audience. > > Please, it
>>>>>doesn't matter where do you live in the world. > > It doesn't matter
>>>>>who you are, or what's your religion. > > You must recognize, that
>>>>>Christian Zionist Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state
>>>>>of Israel, whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate
>>>>>atrocities, which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>>>>civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In addition,
>>>>>Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, > Neuclar bombing
>>>>>of Palestinian civil means, as long as that justifys > expanding the
>>>>>settlement construction of Israel military occupation. > > Christian
>>>>>Zionist Evangelists encourage nourishing the radical sense and >
>>>>>sectarian strife among Muslims and Christians in mostly populated
>>>>>Muslim > countries, to justify the foreign intervension to defy the
>>>>>fraudulently > proclaimed religious persecution which they
>>>>>emphatically fabricate. > > Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The
>>>>>real myth is to attempt denying its existence and its effective >
>>>>>presence onto the United states political rhetoric. > > Please, don't
>>>>>think I am exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the cautionary
>>>>>sentiment, warning the people about the > Christian Zionist influential
>>>>>authority. > If you were a Christian, and you attempted to somehow
>>>>>belittle the subject's > substantial enormity, I am afraid that I will
>>>>>have to consider you > involved, or influenced by this political
>>>>>ideology. > > > _______________________________________________ >
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