[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Doris and Chris
chipmunks at gmx.net
Sun Nov 17 05:00:21 UTC 2013
Dear Ms. Linda,
I looked at your mail headers here and saw thatt you are one of the
select few who use a real email client! *g* I use the same version of
Eudora as I do and can thus do the same as myself.
Mustafa has his own mail folder on my box and filtering into a
specific mail folder is the same as filtering directly to trash -
which is exactly what the "blocking" function in Outlook Express and
some other email clients does.
I do not know why Mustafa has chosen to reply to me personally but he
has been polite and respectful.
We all have probably encountered those who just seem to be out to
fight. None of such crap with Mustafa. I found him a nice guy who is
genuinely intersted in his cause. I do not know if he would convert
to christianity as he says if he was convinced it is God'sway for him
or not but he to me seems just as dedicated two witness to his faith
and to God as Dedicated Christian witnesses are.
On banquet day I am sure God will sort it all out and I am also sure
that all of us will be in for a surprise or two or more ... *smile*
In His grip!
Doris
At 10:06 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, he also sends the same, and more, to many of us off list. He
>never responds when we respond to him. I don't know if I can do as
>you suggested in my email client!
>
>He's free to post here, of course!
>
>Blessings,
>Linda
>
>At 09:49 PM 11/16/2013, you wrote:
>>If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in
>>your email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>>
>>As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and
>>found the exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>>
>>Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith
>>and not the Christian faith in particular.
>>
>>I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but
>>think a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>>
>>Doris in Lutherland
>>At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>>
>>>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? -----
>>>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa"
>>>><mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent:
>>>>Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21 AM Subject: [Faith-talk] The
>>>>subject which noone talks about. > This is a very important
>>>>post. > > > > This is the subject, which nobody talks
>>>>about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and share. > > > > So,
>>>>what is Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political
>>>>movement, which originally descends from > a gravely radical
>>>>element of Protestantism. They mostly live abroad, >
>>>>particularly, in the United states, and they are theologically
>>>>motivated > by the christian zionist notorious influence. They
>>>>predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation of the
>>>>Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that
>>>>particular doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key
>>>>directors of this extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee,
>>>>the > radical evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the
>>>>fabricating author, > Robert Spencer with his awful companion,
>>>>the liar Pamela Geller, and > finally, the heavily prevaricator
>>>>and eternally expelled ex Coptic Father, > zakaria botros. Due to
>>>>his stubborn profanity and inflammatory remarks, he > was
>>>>permanently banned from the Coptic Church. I personally verified
>>>>that > with local coptic officials. He was eternally banished
>>>>from the Church for > his shameful misbehaviors and verbal
>>>>assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant apologist, currently
>>>>inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he used to be an actor
>>>>at the Church. He currently lives in the United > states, and he
>>>>is in a regular communication with the radical missionaries > I
>>>>just listed above. He is quite popular for his anti-islam views,
>>>>his > affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable
>>>>statements, his intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations,
>>>>and acrimonious corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance,
>>>>he wickedly insulted muslim women who wear Hijab. > He
>>>>sarcastically described them them as the darken tents. He said
>>>>horrible > things about our noble prophet, (salla Allahu alaihi
>>>>wa sallam), and he > wickedly abused his wives. He deliberately
>>>>devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, to develop and
>>>>promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic
>>>>teachings. Well however, his malefactor equivocations were >
>>>>informatively countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by
>>>>Doctor > Fadel Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim
>>>>clerics. Well > ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists
>>>>are quite known for their > enormously provocative disposition
>>>>about Islam. They strongly adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's
>>>>their top priority to advocate for guarding > Israel national
>>>>security. They constantly call for that in the Congress, > and in
>>>>another major domestic political assemblies in the United
>>>>states. > Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts, to
>>>>essentially invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses.
>>>>I was previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to
>>>>watch Zakaria botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an
>>>>Arab, and another one is American. I would like > to thank them
>>>>pretty much for their sincere advice. They just helped me >
>>>>exposing to the publicity who Zakaria botros is. They never
>>>>searched who > is Zakaria Botros , nor they never bothered
>>>>themselves to just verify > whether he was theologically
>>>>certified to talk about Islam the way he > does. They just liked
>>>>the fact, that he appears in the television, > assaulting Islam,
>>>>and posing incorrect alegations about Islamic
>>>>sources. > > > > > > Little that they know about the so called
>>>>Zakaria botros religious > bigotry, his malicious intent, and his
>>>>terrific perfidy to his egyptian > identity. He calls Egypt a
>>>>terrorist state, wavering that notion to those > who he may be in
>>>>touch with at the Congress, while attempting to encourage > them
>>>>to potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity, and to even >
>>>>occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even insulted
>>>>the coptic > Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly
>>>>evidenced against him, that > he stands behind the nigrified
>>>>curtains of innocence of muslims, the > detrimental film which
>>>>sparked outrage and violence around the world. > Although, he
>>>>doesn't directly appear at the front, but it is allegedly >
>>>>leavened that he is actually behind the seen, and that all the >
>>>>reprehensible concepts were actually inspired by his hateful
>>>>views. > Is that your best role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just
>>>>find any better? > I'm personally convinced that Zakaria botros
>>>>and his assimilators are > tremendously inspired by a hidden
>>>>plot, a deeply concealed Zionist agenda. > The coptic church is
>>>>extremely commendable for formally disposing this > maligned
>>>>hater. I would like his supporters to present their significant >
>>>>evidence, that proves his exoneration if they have any.
>>>>Furthermore, I > would kindly ask my respectful recipients, to
>>>>just hit over to the > following URL: > > > > > >
>>>>http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians United for Israel. Or
>>>>CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the official website of
>>>>this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon Hagee. Many
>>>>christian organizations in the United states today, are > utterly
>>>>affiliated with that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by >
>>>>Christian organizations and individuals around the country. You
>>>>may tour > their website, and then, you may possibly ask
>>>>yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a religious association has
>>>>to do with political interests? > > > > > > Why they would be
>>>>affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly fundraises, to > supply
>>>>Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present conspicuous evidents
>>>>that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > > > >
>>>>Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in
>>>>the United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian
>>>>sustainable alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual
>>>>summit of 2012, Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this
>>>>particular convention. > > Here you go: > > > > > >
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > > > > > >
>>>>Kindly, can someone explain to me, what does that
>>>>mean? > > > > > > > > The major essence of this Christian
>>>>dispensationalism is of its political > apostasy. They label
>>>>Islam as their common enemy in spades. > > > > You may watch
>>>>this. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > >
>>>>Now, how can we determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist
>>>>or not? > > > > What do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at
>>>>its inception, we need to verify, whether someone or his Church >
>>>>congregation are affiliated with any significant assets in
>>>>Israel. > > > > Secondly, we need to verify whether someone or
>>>>his Church congregation are > radically assaulting Islam,
>>>>considering it as a major threat. > > > > Furthermore, we need
>>>>to verify whether someone or his Church > congregation are
>>>>publishing hateful materials about Islam, Muslims, and > Muslim
>>>>countries. > > > > I am skeptic of using the compound term, the
>>>>middle east. Because it's an > Israeli recognition. > > > > There
>>>>are many Christian Zionist websites and online
>>>>publications. > > > > Well amongst them are: > > > >
>>>>faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org, muslimhope.org, and the list
>>>>goes on. > > Well, I am sharing this to essentially expand the
>>>>mass awareness and > consciousness about religious
>>>>extremism. > > > > As I am intensely against the brotherhood
>>>>religious extremism, I am also > against the Christian religious
>>>>extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination decided to
>>>>highjack its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, that
>>>>would probably be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a
>>>>broadly controversial term, it reflects a negative > connotation,
>>>>and in my humble opinion, it hasn't yet been accurately >
>>>>defined. > > > > Do you want to know what the term Zionist
>>>>actually means? > > > > Listen to its principles layed out by a
>>>>former Zionist figure, Benjamin > Freedman. > > > > Benjamin
>>>>Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech to his nation in >
>>>>1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of growing
>>>>Zionism. > > > > > >
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > > Zionism is any
>>>>faithful movement, which trespasses the religious tennets > of
>>>>its denomination, to essentially attain political ambitions,
>>>>or > financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and
>>>>Christians are influentially imposing their eminent > authority
>>>>onto the decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This
>>>>is not a secret for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to
>>>>veil, many Americans unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and
>>>>disinformed. > > > > My post hasn't been intended to denounce or
>>>>to desecrate someone's faith. > > > > To the contrary, I just
>>>>intended to widespread awareness and enlightenment > to my
>>>>friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, they all are
>>>>sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are advocating for
>>>>tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or disagree on
>>>>certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about is
>>>>totally of a different story. > > > > I am warning about a
>>>>political apostasy, which commits atrocities in the > name of
>>>>the divine. > > > > I hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My
>>>>post is intended to address the difference in between religious >
>>>>devotion and, the vicious defection which aims to gain
>>>>political > interest, throughout misusing religious
>>>>symbols. > > > > There could be Zionist Jews, Christian Zionists,
>>>>or even, Muslim Zionists > for that matter. > > > > Yes,
>>>>definitely. > > > > And this is why we rejected the brotherhood
>>>>ruling Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing religious
>>>>symbols, for essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly
>>>>restricting them, and invalidly speaking on God's >
>>>>behalf. > > > > I personally consider Iran as a Zionist Muslim
>>>>state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist Christian
>>>>state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > > They
>>>>all highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > >
>>>>This is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat
>>>>to the whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of
>>>>religious extremism in all religions, which > nourishes
>>>>radicalism, terrorism, and atrocity. > > I quite recognize the
>>>>Christian Zionist pestiferous influence on American > media. > >
>>>>These people ought to be firmly stood against. > > They label
>>>>Islam as their major threat, and they constantly promote >
>>>>poisonous thoughts about Islam. > > They are unified with the
>>>>racial state of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian
>>>>dispensationalism and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just
>>>>criticize Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this
>>>>subject, over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn
>>>>Americans, Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of
>>>>this eminent threat. > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous
>>>>than Jewish Zionism. > > They misuse religious symbles to deceive
>>>>their audience. > > Please, it doesn't matter where do you live
>>>>in the world. > > It doesn't matter who you are, or what's your
>>>>religion. > > You must recognize, that Christian Zionist
>>>>Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state of Israel,
>>>>whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate atrocities,
>>>>which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>>>civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In
>>>>addition, Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, >
>>>>Neuclar bombing of Palestinian civil means, as long as that
>>>>justifys > expanding the settlement construction of Israel
>>>>military occupation. > > Christian Zionist Evangelists encourage
>>>>nourishing the radical sense and > sectarian strife among Muslims
>>>>and Christians in mostly populated Muslim > countries, to justify
>>>>the foreign intervension to defy the fraudulently > proclaimed
>>>>religious persecution which they emphatically
>>>>fabricate. > > Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The real
>>>>myth is to attempt denying its existence and its effective >
>>>>presence onto the United states political rhetoric. > > Please,
>>>>don't think I am exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the
>>>>cautionary sentiment, warning the people about the > Christian
>>>>Zionist influential authority. > If you were a Christian, and you
>>>>attempted to somehow belittle the subject's > substantial
>>>>enormity, I am afraid that I will have to consider you >
>>>>involved, or influenced by this political ideology. > > >
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