[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Timothy Clark Ministries timothyclarkministries at gmail.com
Fri Dec 19 17:10:41 UTC 2014 

justin, correct again. 
 i see countless times, divides within the church over a matter of salvation, faith and the like. 
 if people would open their bibles and read, we wouldn’t have these. further more, if people would lose their pride, we could overcome instead of dividing god’s people.
Timothy Clark Ministries 
  
  
  
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On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 9:23, justin williams via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> As long as telling the truth truly serves a spiritual purpose and not your
> own.  God is not glorified because you are grinding an individual under your
> truth.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
> via Faith-talk
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM
> To: Timothy Clark Ministries; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Legalists?
> 
> Hi i personally believe in telling the truth the way i see it is this way if
> we truly love  love people i would tell the truth as it is sometimes the
> truth does hurt. that is just  the way i view it.  i don't sugar coat the
> truth and i won't change the truth no matter who i talk to they will hear
> the truth from me.  and it will most likely be the biblical truth. that is
> just how i opperate as i don't aime to please people i only aime to please
> one and that one  is god himself.
> 
> On 12/19/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> we must be supportive but being supportive doesn't always mean that we 
>> agree with a particular individuals actions and they need to know 
>> that. they also need to know the reason why you don't agree with them.  
>> however, they also need to know that they are loved.
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 0:38, Christine Olivares 
>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> And I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are certain 
>>> things I do agree with, but I don't agree with doing things out of 
>>> laws or such. I strongly disagree with "shooting the wounded." That 
>>> can make people leave Christianity for good. I know people who have 
>>> left it for things like the Occalt and such because of how they were 
>>> "shot." I guess there are just ways of being loving, supportive but 
>>> not necessarily agreeing.
>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries 
>>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> it's all good. just pointing out the difference between legalism and 
>>>> holiness.
>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 23:18, Christine Olivares 
>>>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I guess the correct word I was looking for was more fundamentalism 
>>>>> which I completely disagree with. I wasn't trying to offend, but 
>>>>> when people place laws before love, that is not in any way 
>>>>> christian. We would be acting like pharisees of old. this is a 
>>>>> sensitive subject for me. I have been very very hurt by 
>>>>> "Christians." I was disowned by a relative who put her religion before
> loving me, which is what I really needed.
>>>>> Instead of just loving me, she pretended I didn't exist until I 
>>>>> came back to God. I see it among Christians, and it makes me really
> mad.
>>>>> Sometimes we need to love, give advice, but not push it down 
>>>>> someone's throat...that's what made me leave Christianity in the 
>>>>> first place when it happened.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry if I hurt anyone, but it brought back memories that were a 
>>>>> painful part of my life.
>>>>> 
>>>>> God bless,
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via 
>>>>>> Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Legalism, in Christian theology, is a usually pejorative term 
>>>>>> referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal 
>>>>>> ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, 
>>>>>> superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of thegrace of 
>>>>>> God or emphasizing the letter of law at the expense of the spirit. 
>>>>>> Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not 
>>>>>> faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. 
>>>>>> On the Biblical viewpoint that redemption is not earned by works, 
>>>>>> but that obedient faith is required to enter and remain in the 
>>>>>> redeemed state, see Covenantal nomism holiness on the other hand 
>>>>>> shows God in sobering terms. Among the myriad titles given, he is 
>>>>>> called "a consuming fire," "Judge of all the earth," and the "Lord 
>>>>>> of hosts"--a title that portrays God poised for battle, at the 
>>>>>> head of a heavenly army. In addition, the Bible stresses God's
> discontinuity with humankind. "God is not human that he should .
>>>>>> . ." is almost a refrain in Scripture. We might imagine that God 
>>>>>> is a sort of Superman, just like you or me but with additional 
>>>>>> powers. But that kind of thinking betrays a dangerous illusion. 
>>>>>> God is radically different from us, in degree and kind. He is 
>>>>>> ontologically dissimilar, wholly other, dangerous, alien, holy, wild.
>>>>>> When God shows up in Scripture, people cower and tremble. They go
> mute.
>>>>>> The ones who manage speech fall into despair. Fainters abound. 
>>>>>> Take the prophet Daniel. He could stare down lions, but when the 
>>>>>> heavens opened, he swooned. Ezekiel, too, was overwhelmed by his 
>>>>>> vision of God. After witnessing Yahweh's throne chariot lift into 
>>>>>> the air with the sound of a jet engine, he fell face-first to the 
>>>>>> ground. When Solomon dedicated the temple, the glory of the Lord 
>>>>>> was so overpowering, "the priests could not perform their service" (1
> Kings 8:11).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> New Testament types fared no better. John's revelations left him 
>>>>>> lying on the ground "as though dead" (Rev. 1:17). The disciples 
>>>>>> dropped when they saw Jesus transfigured. Even the intrepid Saul 
>>>>>> marching to Damascus collapsed before the blazing brilliance of 
>>>>>> the resurrected Christ.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SEE
>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM/CT/2014/MAY/HOW-WE-FORGOT-HOLINES
>>>>>> S-OF-GOD.HTML
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> GOD BLESS
>>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 22:48, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk 
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Christine and all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I respectfully ask that you refrain from calling us legalists who 
>>>>>>> believe the Bible and try our best to live by it. Please take 
>>>>>>> care how you use the term. Bible-believers live how they live 
>>>>>>> because they try to obey that which they read and are taught from 
>>>>>>> the Bible, and we joyfully do so, not out of guilt, but out of 
>>>>>>> love for our Lord and our fellow men, or men and women if you 
>>>>>>> prefer. I'm sure that, if you look up legalist in the dictionary, 
>>>>>>> it will not say a person who follows the precepts written in the 
>>>>>>> Bible, so please refrain from using the term incorrectly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Respectully,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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