[Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.

Mon Jul 21 19:27:19 UTC 2014

I think that respect is always a good thing, and also think that it is a two
way streak. Some people have the ability to sound polite even when the
underlining messages and words are made to demean and be condescending.
Also, I don't remember the savior sounding to what we would call respectful
to the enemies of the Gospel, but in short, RJ and myself included, it is
always better to extend the hand of friendship first and try and let love be
the overriding theme of our conduct, but hear this,  I do not want to be
naive either, we are called to be gentle as a dove, but as wise as a serpent
and though some may sound rude and disrespectful, there may be a Spirit of
truth in their harsh sounding words, from the mouths of babes as the saying
goes. As Shakespeare has said, "Sometimes the  devil is a gentlemen." And
Paul also wrote, "The devil may appear as an angel of light." Never the
less, God knows and I hope his light will lead our hearts to move past the
insults from myself if that is what they only are, along with the negative
remarks of others and the constant barrage of attacks launched against the
Bible. If somebody continually attacked my wife or children, what wouldn't I
do, let alone my Savior.

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin
williams via Faith-talk
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:45 AM
To: 'Paul'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
subjection.

I do as well. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
via Faith-talk
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 2:41 PM
To: Brandon A. Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
subjection.

If a second is needed or encouraged, I second Brandon's comment.  Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the
discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
subjection.

RJ,

Perhaps you should act with a bit more respect. You’ve been nothing but mean
and condescending in this thread.

Peace,
Brandon
On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:55 AM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Stop trying to act like you're a college professor
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa Almahdy via Faith-talk" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to 
> theZionist subjection.
>
>
> MR. Bear, I can barely bear your enormous nescience.
>
> This is also known as sophism.
>
> I will not respond to such fallacious allegations.
>
> I basically wanted you to scientifically verify the perfection of the 
> biblical translation that you hold and regard as inerrant.
>
> I apologize for asking you to do this.
>
> It seams that I have asked for something far away from your humble 
> competency.
>
> I did not expect you to unintelligently extrapolate the scrutiny.
>
> Therefore, I attempted to remind you that we are particularly 
> scrutinizing the authenticity of the transmission  of a sacred text 
> called the Bible.
>
> This Bible is translated from languages that we cannot have access to 
> in our contemporary age, these languages are basically extinct, or at 
> least, they are unused by laymen people in our modern age.
>
> Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic  and so his disciples did.
>
> But your English edition of the controversial parables is brought from 
> Ancient Greek, whilst the Old Testament is brought from Ancient 
> Hebrew, and they both are virtually nonextant, their manuscripts are 
> not exposed to the public arena, unless for handful of specialized 
> scholars.
>
> I am quite taken aback of your imbecilic induction.
>
> Without fallaciously attempting to malignly doubt my faith, nor 
> attempting to indecisively assault me with insignificant allegations, 
> I wholeheartedly encourage you to go and commence a thorough research 
> on the subject.
>
> Of course, the word of God is inerrant and utterly perpetual.
>
> But, we are particularly talking about what God revealed, not about 
> what people translated with their own additions, omissions, textual 
> alteration and deliberate distortion of the text.
>
> As I just articulated, do not take my absurd statements as truthful, 
> consider them as deceitful, conditionally with presenting your 
> critical evidence.
>
> But I am afraid, ranting and personal assaults are not fit to do the job.
>
> Peace and blessings, Mostafa.
>
>
>
> On 7/20/14, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately 
>> the transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of 
>> study related to a written text, that truth is still a reality 
>> regardless of whether or not you like to pick and choose the best 
>> words of elocution to try and prove your points. This was called 
>> sophistry in ancient days and I think you have acquired a formidable 
>> ability to execute it in your arguments. You do indeed dismiss 
>> anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is   valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and 
>> avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting 
>> against the Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that 
>> the living God is able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Mostafa via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the 
>> Zionist subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, 
>> from considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing 
>> sacred translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial 
>> disciplines such as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other 
>> related scientific branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have 
>> known that physical science is the study of the physical and natural 
>> world using theoretical models and data from experiments or 
>> observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves 
>> as new discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, 
>> motified, nor even recontextualized.
>>
>>   I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I 
>> am devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does 
>> not mean I am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for 
>> someone to think so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such 
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>>           Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy 
>> of guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable 
>> constitution in the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, 
>> subjection and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the 
>> U.S Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, 
>> and it does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious 
>> superiority complex.
>>
>>   Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves 
>> crème de la crème, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the 
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York 
>> is worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not 
>> humans, although they look like humans, but they think and act like 
>> devilish species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to  mephistophelean species because of their 
>> radical arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in 
>> Islam is not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden 
>> tree, it is rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment  of Lucifer who is the chief adversary  of 
>> cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance 
>> and bigotry.
>>
>>   Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the 
>> highest of high, the chosen people, the children of God, and 
>> therefore, anyone who opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it 
>> for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should 
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so 
>> we will uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on 
>> international scope, until we force them to decease using the force 
>> to bow Palestinians down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>
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