[Faith-talk] Dilemma

Wed Jun 28 01:16:28 UTC 2017

Hi Jenny,

How do you get much out of a Latin mass? You cannot understand it and 
without seeing others' behavior, how are you following it and involved?
How are you able to follow and like a mass in which the priest speaks 
quietly? As blind people, we use our hearing much more than others.
At the Catholic church I observed they did use microphones and that was a 
good thing because the priest had a soft voice! I noticed a difference in 
his speech versus the other people running the mass.
I observed a regular catholic service for college religion class and 
catholics do much standing and kneeling. How do you know when to kneel 
without understanding latin? In english speaking masses there are auditory 
clues and much is planned so a regular Catholic would learn this.

I agree that Uber and lift are expensive. Its here in my area too although I 
have not tried it. Have you investigated cab fares? They may not be too much 
for a five minute ride. If it’s a few miles, fares should not be too bad. 
You could cab to church till you knew people and then could see about 
getting a ride there.
I think you should try a few churches if at all possible. Picking a church 
based on friends or rides is not the best thing. If you  really are set with 
latin
right mass, then that is okay. You need to do what feels spiritually correct 
for you. But, try not to pick it based on people who go to the church.

I understand your desire to go to a church with a ride. I understand you 
feel real awkard about asking for rides with those you do not know. I feel 
the same. I tried one of those large non denominational churches a few years 
back and it was mixed feelings for me. I had a ride to regular service from 
my dad.
However, to small group study, I  got a ride from dad and on occasion 
someone from small group brought me home. She also brought me to the metro 
station when we had  a dinner at someone's home. I felt a bit awkward about 
being in her car, a car that I did not know. I was thankful though she did 
offer to give me a ride. Still, it does feel awkward to take from someone 
and not give back.

About the choir, if it were me, I'd go listen to some rehearsals and see if 
I wanted to join.
I would not join anything unless I knew what I was getting into. I think 
you seem too worried about the choir. I realize we do not know the whole 
story here, but it seems like you really think about it a lot with so many 
messages about it.
Pick a church and be a regular member, and then worry about the choir. I 
cannot imagine singing in Latin! Good luck with that one!

To answer your question, the latin mass was first. Latin masses were the 
only thing for centuries.
Yes, the Latin Catholic mass was the beginning. Catholics were also against 
reading the Bible and looked to their priest to understand it. The 
Reformation came about with Martin Luther  professing different things. One 
of them was that lay people should read the Bible and that you should have a 
personal relationship with God.

Church history for you here.
Prior to Vatican II in the 1960s, the mass was conducted in latin. 
Additionally, the priest turned his back to the congregation and he did not 
use a microphone.
I have no idea how the congregation followed mass, but that was how it was.

I think with time, you will do what is right for you.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:03 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Jenny Keller
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma

Yes, I have both, but, I don't have that kind of money. Paratransit would be 
cheaper. So, would have to go and try to meet people. But again, I really 
don't know when the liturgy and, and if they have fellowship after. So, it's 
easier for me to just go with somebody.

I have though, thought about the Latin right that I generally go to. I 
finally fell sort of in love with it. My priest, who I had never met until 
puke Ville USA, told me that I would be a part of the mass no matter what I 
did. So, the choir has totally changed, and, there was a new choir director 
coming in. He has worked with tons of choirs. So he probably has worked with 
someone with some kind of disability.

I am going to ask him if he would prefer me to go out and listen, and do 
rehearsals, in the choir, and not saying anything I don't know. I feel 
though that I can't be in the sanctuary and listen to what the choir says on 
a regular basis. When I went last Sunday, I saying of course quietly, the 
stuff I knew. And the stuff that I didn't know, I just learned. Or started 
to learn. So, I can sort of teach myself the actual liturgy. There is stuff 
that is done by the choir that is different. So, I might just stay down in 
the sanctuary to learn what the basic parts of it are.

I did sing it quietly so no one said anything. And, I don't think the priest 
would care. So, I did feel that it was fine. As long as I wasn't singing the 
opera in the middle of the sanctuary. Though I am not used to his voice 
during mass, he has such a quiet way of speaking. And, during the mass, he 
does not use any sort of microphone, but generally churches from that order 
generally don't. They only use one during the homily. I am just going to 
have to learn about that too. And, being in the front row of the sanctuary 
can help me hear him better. Again, I finally understood my role in the 
church.

God has given me a place and a place where I didn't think I had one. I 
thought about checking out the Orthodox Catholic. But, maybe someone can 
correct me, but I thought that the Catholic Latin church was the beginning. 
Because everyone went to a Catholic church at some point, but always had the 
Latin involved. So, it didn't matter what language or what part of the 
church The other churches came after, the Orthodox one said that it has 
roots in the Russian orthodox part. Where as the Latin mass is basically 
started in the beginning. Because of the fact that people could go anywhere 
and still understand the math.

Do any Catholics know of this?

Oh, and new missionaries have called. But, I didn't answer I forgot to take 
my do not disturb off my phone. So, there was that. I didn't call them back 
as I am not feeling really hot, so, after falling last night, raising my 
body. I just don't feel well. The bruising was not anything we are related, 
but there was a lot of it, and a lot of different places. And I just hurt. 
So, I don't plan on doing anything.

If they call again though, it will be explained or told Whiteley vigorously 
that I no longer want any part of the church, and answer prize that that was 
not conveyed to them. I will call the bishop however actually text him and 
let him know that I no longer want contact with anybody. As far as church 
related stuff goes. So, The Missionaries and Suz need to stop. So, I know 
that if you ask the bishop. It's a lot more formal, especially if you text, 
or email. Then, you have some sort of record.

Jenny

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:02 AM, Justin Williams via Faith-Talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You got uber or lyft?
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
> Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 5:56 AM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
>
> Hi there, I just found an Orthodox Catholic church, which is completely in
> line with the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not sure if it is in the Roman
> church is jurisdiction. So, I'm going to wait till Monday to find out.
> However, my friend only go to certain churches. And I am uncomfortable
> asking them to go to another church. It's a little bit farther away.
>
> I either have a choice between the Latin mass, which I like, still 
> learning
> though, or, the regular Catholic Church. That does English. That rushes.
> Anyhow, I'm just not sure. I don't know how big the catholic Orthodox
> churches. But, I know they're in line with the if the pope.
>
> I have an app called OneParish, and it is in there. So, I don't know, 
> going
> to call the priest on Monday. So, what do you figure out what to do. I 
> want
> to see if I can get a ride from somebody there. I'm about 5 1/2 minutes 
> from
> there. So, it's going to be interesting. If it's going to be a major deal
> with my friend, then, I would rather go ahead and go to the churches they 
> go
> to. They have a Saturday mass as well. So, it depends heart. I want to be
> careful and want to make sure that my friends don't have to go out of 
> their
> way. They would. But I'm uncomfortable just putting more on them. Talk to
> you later. But, want to know what you think.
>
>
> Jenny
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