[Faith-talk] Dilemma

Thu Jun 29 20:55:25 UTC 2017

Jenny,

Watch how you say things. How many times did I read distracting? I did not 
count.
But many.

You have to do what feels right to you. However, I want to say that not all 
English masses are like this.
I have attended mass a time as a guest and another as an assignment for 
religion class.
While the Catholics did leave after the service, no one left during the last
part. The priest said the closing prayer and then they had a song which 
might be called a benediction; at least they call it this in the Protestant 
church.

I wonder if you are going on what you heard or have you actually experienced 
a mass conducted in english?

You were in the LDS church before so I'm not sure.

I actually think they should have a set time for the mass. People have 
schedules now a days. Sure if they run a little over, that is fine, and no 
one should be rude;
the priest should not get calls about it. But people have schedules now a 
days.

You said
"I might check out the Orthodox Catholic church. Because maybe it's that 
way. And it's in English. That might be the happy medium :-) so, in fact I'm 
going to try to call the priest now. Hopefully he'll answer the phone :-)"

I agree. Sounds like a happy medium! I hope the priest answers and you have 
a nice chat and he can probably give you an overview of what he does and 
about the church he runs.
I attended a regular roman catholic church for an assignment to observe a 
service, not the Orthodox church.

If you do attend an Orthodox service, tell us about it. I know they have 
more visual stuff and I don't know the extent of your vision. They have more 
icons and statues there. I heard its slightly different than the roman 
catholic mass.

And I do not know what you mean by ABC year. Hmm, is this a typo?

In my research, I learned catholics follow the julian calendar.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:58 PM
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Cc: Jenny Keller
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma

I would go to the English mass, however, I know for a fact, and I think I've 
said it before, that priests are rushed to make it be an hour only. I don't 
like the rushing part. That's actually not what Vatican II wanted. They only 
wanted to make the Latin mass in English. And that was it. They did not want 
to change but to make it English. They didn't want the ABC year though so I 
like that. But it's water down, i'm sorry they did want the years a BC which 
I do like, so, I tend to read the Novus ordo, or English mass for that. But, 
if it weren't so rushed, if the priest weren't so hounded to make it an hour 
long and our long instead of more than that, it wouldn't be so bad. But, I 
don't know about you, but when you hear people leaving in the middle of your 
prayer time at the end of mass. When it's not over. It's distracting what do 
you feel about it? I know, that's their thing, and they'll have to answer 
for it. But, I don't know if you feel but it's distracting. I don't care 
what they do during the last song. That's fine. But, when the priest is 
still doing the end of the mass. And people are taking off. To me, it's 
distracting. How do you feel about it. And how do you get over it if it 
bothers you.

It is really sad that if a priest goes over an hour that priests are called 
and get very annoying phone calls about it. That's really sad. It's bad like 
I said, when the Cathedral. Where the bishop does mass. Has a giant Normas 
clock that is so big I can see it between the door top and the choir 
railing. Really? I wish that English masses and bishops, would stand up and 
tell the diocese that they work for and that they deal with, but that's not 
acceptable. That priests can go as long as they want to. That's it's not a 
rush thing. Actually, also, there is a bishop somewhere, that's making them 
change the tabernacle to be over the altar, and not on the side. And, 
requiring a high altar. Praise the Lord. It's about time.

I guess that's why I do like the orthodox church. Because they don't do 
anything slower than the way it supposed to be. It's just how it is, and 
people stay there until it's done.

I might check out the Orthodox Catholic church. Because maybe it's that way. 
And it's in English. That might be the happy medium :-) so, in fact I'm 
going to try to call the priest now. Hopefully he'll answer the phone :-)

Jenny

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Justin Williams via Faith-Talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> For you, maybe the Latin mass is best.  For me, I'd go to the one that 
> spoke
> english.
>
> Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
> Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:24 PM
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> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
>
> When I went to mass on Sunday and the Latin right, things happen with my
> soul, and my heart that change things a little regarding the Latin right. 
> I
> had a friend that told me what was happening during the mass with the
> priest. This coming Sunday, she will be reading the words as the priest
> reach them. Fortunately, I can receive the proper's, and the mass, if I
> choose to on my phone. Before or after mass.
>
> I don't want something automated in my ear during the mass, so, she is 
> going
> to tell me what is going on that is said in the mass, by priest and 
> others.
> So that I can tell the timing.
>
> I have said before, and sorry if this is said again, that I believe that 
> the
> Latin Wright has come from the very beginning of the Catholic Church. 
> Period
>
> Again, it was done that way so that anyone could go anywhere and 
> understand
> the mask. So, they may not have understood the Hollys and things like 
> that,
> but they could understand the majority of the mass so they wouldn't be 
> left
> out or not be able to figure out what is happening.
>
> With the Orthodox Catholic though, it says that it is coming from the
> Orthodox roots, so, they basically went from Russian orthodox, and brought
> that to Catholicism. So, it almost makes me want to be somewhere that
> started from the beginning. The Latin church also has a new choir 
> director,
> he started today with rehearsal. So, actually Wednesday, but, I'm not
> planning on going, because I haven't been in the choir for a while, and I
> don't want to bombard him with the question of is it OK that I come back 
> to
> the choir and would you mind someone who is visually impaired. It doesn't
> matter whether he minds it or not, it's the church, so, that's the way it 
> is
> but he has train so many choirs it doesn't even begin to be funny. Plus, 
> one
> of those places where St. Mary's. So, we believe that there has been 
> someone
> with some disability with in that situation.
>
> I have been encouraged by the priest and also people who have met and know
> of him to just ask, not just assume that he would not be able to answer 
> the
> question comfortably and not decide that he's not gonna do it without
> asking. Those of us that have been in any choir at some point in time have
> had that issue where the directors don't exactly believe that we can 
> handle
> it. I have dealt with that quite a bit in my life. So, they said that he 
> has
> done so many choirs, that again, I probably am not the first person. So 
> give
> him a chance and walk up and say something, on your own, without assuming
> anything.
>
> It makes me happy that they are encouraging me. It's one of the Catholic
> Church is I have found that actually has fellowship together. That hang 
> out
> together after mass. That is quite unusual.
>
> Is anybody catholic in this situation or have been Catholic. What is your
> opinion on the situation. Would you stay with the Latin because it is the
> traditional thing that has been around forever, or would you try and
> orthodox Catholic church. The other only situation with the Orthodox
> Catholic church is that I know no one. I don't feel comfortable going hey, 
> I
> don't know you, but can you give me a ride? "I don't want to come in on 
> that
> situation. My friend can't always run the Machesney Park to help get me
> there and then get me back. It's easier to go to St. Mary's.
>
> Also, I have been told by several, including people on this list, of any
> church, it's not what the church can give to you, it's about what you can
> give the church. I really feel like I'm starting to be involved. Like I
> matter. So, that's making me happy right now. I'm not sure where I belong
> exactly, but the majority of my friends go to St. Mary's, and their daily
> mass is at 12 o'clock noon. So, it's easier to make it to daily mass at
> noon, the bus goes straight to the terminal from where I live, and St.
> Mary's is maybe a half a block or more to the corner of the street, 
> prosit,
> and on the same street basically almost near the corner, there is St.
> Mary's. On the same side walk. That's easy.
>
> However, I don't know if you guys especially in the north have this issue,
> but St. Mary's is too broke for air-conditioning. I'd rather put their 
> money
> in to the wheelchair ramps and fixing the chairlift for the stairs to get
> people on the second floor for getting to the sanctuary. They can't afford
> an elevator. So, we are definitely trying to keep the chairlift and is 
> good
> explanation as possible.
>
> It has been so hot with the vestments of the church, that there have been
> several praise that have literally passed out during mass. So, it doesn't
> get that hot. For us, the vestments in the old-style Catholic Latin
> situation are very very heavy. I picked up one of the pieces that was on 
> the
> table that the priest told me I could, and one peace, and I need one 
> piece,
> was extremely heavy. So I can't imagine what the whole thing must feel 
> like.
> If that one piece is heavy to me just picking up part of it. Well, I can
> understand where they would be extremely hot. And the professional
> confession box, it's very very heavy also., And, the women wear veils, 
> their
> latest, some of them are shaped like triangles, but, I am trying to find 
> an
> Infiniti lease Mantia or head covering. Your lace, though you can use a
> star. But I feel better with LACE
>
>
> Jenny
>
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Debby Phillips via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that you like the webinars and like the people there. I
> guess if it was me I would go to the Latin Mass. I don't know much about 
> the
> Orthodox or eastern right catholic churches, except that everything might 
> be
> in Greek LOL. Well I've got to go. But I would stick with what you like
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 2:55 AM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there, I just found an Orthodox Catholic church, which is completely
> in line with the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not sure if it is in the Roman
> church is jurisdiction. So, I'm going to wait till Monday to find out.
> However, my friend only go to certain churches. And I am uncomfortable
> asking them to go to another church. It's a little bit farther away.
>>>
>>> I either have a choice between the Latin mass, which I like, still
> learning though, or, the regular Catholic Church. That does English. That
> rushes. Anyhow, I'm just not sure. I don't know how big the catholic
> Orthodox churches. But, I know they're in line with the if the pope.
>>>
>>> I have an app called OneParish, and it is in there. So, I don't know,
> going to call the priest on Monday. So, what do you figure out what to do. 
> I
> want to see if I can get a ride from somebody there. I'm about 5 1/2 
> minutes
> from there. So, it's going to be interesting. If it's going to be a major
> deal with my friend, then, I would rather go ahead and go to the churches
> they go to. They have a Saturday mass as well. So, it depends heart. I 
> want
> to be careful and want to make sure that my friends don't have to go out 
> of
> their way. They would. But I'm uncomfortable just putting more on them. 
> Talk
> to you later. But, want to know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
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