[Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth

[Mustafa Almahdy]

Well, David, the threat of removing me for speaking briefly about my
religion is not delineated in the list’s major guidelines. On the
list’s info page, it says this: “Faith-talk is a list where people can
discuss matters related to faith and/or blindness. Persons of all
faiths are welcome.” It never conditioned specific subjects not to be
discussed as long as they fit in these two main categories, faith,
and, blindness. So, don’t threaten me with removing me, just do it if
you want to. I simply don’t appreciate such tone, clear? Well again,
Jesus said, I am the way to the Father. He also said, I and the Father
are one. Both mean the same thing my dear. Did he ever say, I and the
Father are the same. Jesus is the only way to the Father, and so, is
Muhammad, Moses, David, Solomon, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc etc. They all
came to us with the same message, calling people to worship God alone.
In Islam, God is providentially Omnipotent. He thence is able to
forgive us, without the need to formulate this dramatic scenario.
People are not expected to be perfect. They just need to do their best
to get morally elicited and to spiritually be elevated, gradually bit
by bit until they reach up to the celestial realm. I urge you once
again, to make sure that you type the name of prophet Muhammad
correctly. You’ve misspelled it twice and I dislike to assume that of
being somewhat deliberate. So, based on what Jesus said and did, in
the Bible you wholly hold up to, he simply cannot be God. That’s why,
Christians constantly demand to methodologically palter as it comes to
this critical concern. How could we explain then my dear, Jesus
implores to God, on multiple occasions throughout the parables. Well,
here are some quotes of that. Hebrews 5:7, “In the days of His flesh,
He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and
tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because
of His piety.” Three questions here, first, if he is truly divine, why
was he praying then? Second, How could he be described as pious if he
is divine? Third, if he is divine indeed, why was he yelling for
redemption?    Well, here is another quote: “Matthew 14:23, “After He
had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to
pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone.” Well, my question
here is, does God need to unfeignedly implore in seclusion? Just call
it a day folks, it’s either black or white. Jesus cannot be human and
divine at the same time. That just cannot be discerned. You will tell
me then, well, God can do whatever he wants eh? Well, can he die? Can
God die? According to you, yes. But, if he is fully capable of doing
anything, why couldn’t he just forgive us? In Islam, when Adam and Eve
sinned, God taught them how to repent and they have been forgiven,
simple, easy and straightforward. God is all wise and he doesn’t do
things that are quite illogical and meaningless. Can God oppress
someone? According to your eccentric narrative of the tale, he
actuallly has done. When he sacrificed the innocent on the behalf of
the guilty. He thence ordains us of maintaining justice. How is that
possibly conciliated? As you guys can see, the matter here
exacerbates. I genuinely do not destine to provoke or offend anyone
here. I just urge people to ponder in the light of what the scripture
has actually taught. Lastly, kindly, if I’ll be unsubscribed for
whatever motive, just keep me noticed in advanced, thank you.



On 12/15/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What about Jesus saying in John 14 where Jesus says,
> “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by
> me!
> That sure sounds like Jesus is God himself to me!
> What does that mean to you?
> How this in Acts chapter 4;
> Salvation is found in nobody else, for there is no other name under Heaven,
> given to man by which one must be saved!
> What does that mean to you?
> Next, did Muhamad rise from the dead for you to be your advocate in heaven
> between you and the Father?
> Do you believe you need to be perfect to enter Heaven!
> Scripture says that none of us our perfect.
> That is why we need a savior to forgive all of our sins!
> We need every sin forgiven, scripture says, to enter heaven!
> Islam just does not jive with these scriptures, show me how it does!
> David Moore
>
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> From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
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> Subject: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth
>
> On each and every Sunday, Christians around the world gather at
> Churches to glorify Christ. They consider him deified. Nonetheless, he
> never expressed that about himself explicitly. It is immensely
> perilous to lay Christians to dig into the Bible themselves because
> it's most unlikely that they'll find Jesus enjoining people to worship
> him. There are two main set of statements regarding Jesus's
> phraseology in the scripture. Explicit and implicit statements. What
> is an explicit statement? It is what has been stated plainly, readily
> observable, leaving nothing to implication. Such as Jesus saying in
> John 3:17:; "Now this is eternal life, that they know you, the only
> true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." So here, Jesus
> clearly acknowledges divinity and monotheism to the One and true God
> and declares himself being sent by Him to convey His message to
> people. Then, we have implicit statements, whereas some of them are
> allegedly attributed to Jesus or possibly misconstrued by some
> apologists for essentially systematic theology motives. Such as Jesus
> saying in John 10:30; "I and the Father are one". Christian apologists
> assert he has meant they are one in entity while the text
> presumptively entails they are one in identity. Another instance,
> where Jesus explicitly distinguishes between himself and God. Jesus
> says in John 8:40; "As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a
> man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." According to
> the Bible you wholly hold up to, this was Jesus speaking to the Jews.
> This particular passage has three crucial messages to catch. First
> off, Jesus declared that Jews attempted to kill him. Thence, I
> actually don't fathom the awkward relationship today between those who
> allegedly are the followers of Jesus and those who, according to
> scripture, were sternly hostile to him. Second, Jesus unambiguously
> stated that he is a man who heard the word of God and destined to pass
> it through to people. He didn't say I am God in man incarnate or any
> of that. So, the personification of the divine in the character of
> Jesus is a later developed doctrine called the Hypostatic union. It is
> interesting to note, that historically, this particular doctrine has
> only been prefaced at the Council of Chalcedon in the year (451).
> Consequently, it is demonstratively fallacious to embrace such tenet
> as it has been decisively probed to be absolutely mendacious.
> Moreover, according to your own version of the Bible, in English, the
> description of Jesus's mission precisely befits the definition of
> prophethood in Islam. Third, Jesus says he heard the truth from God.
> So, what is it? It is the message that he plainly stated in John 3:17
> as quoted above. Furthermore, Jesus spoke the truth as he delivered
> the message to a tremendous croud as he uttered a magnanimous speech
> known biblically as sermon on the mount. In this major discourse, he
> taught the public what is biblically known as the Lord's prayer. If
> you Read this, while parallelly citing the opening of the Koran
> translated into English, you will discover a gravely unexpected
> similarity. I won't be taken aback, because it is yet the same message
> of Monotheism. Jesus implored to God. If he was himself God, it would
> have been quite irrational of Jesus praying to himself. I urge
> pastoral staff and their loyally fellow congregants, to unfeignedly
> seek the truth regarding Jesus's solely spoken word in the Gospel.
> Trust me, after I read the Bible many times, my faith and conviction
> of Islam being the true pathway to the celestial realm has
> strengthened leastwise two fold. I do hope that you find this message
> to you encouraging not frustrating. It is not my nature to deride or
> marginalise someone's belief. Please, read the whole gospel and
> earnestly seek to find what Jesus says in it. I do not recognise the
> words spoken by Paul or others about Jesus. I only care about what was
> directly spoken by Jesus. The essence of this message is quite plain.
> Find the truth and stick to it. I wholeheartedly say to you, If I knew
> that Christianity is indeed the truth and only path to salvation, I
> would have unhesitatingly embraced it. This is not a joke nor it bears
> to be.
>
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