[Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth

[David Andrews]

The key words there are faith and blindness -- not just faith.

Dave

At 11:21 PM 12/14/2019, you wrote:
>Well, David, the threat of removing me for 
>speaking briefly about my religion is not 
>delineated in the list’s major guidelines. On 
>the list’s info page, it says this: 
>“Faith-talk is a list where people can discuss 
>matters related to faith and/or blindness. 
>Persons of all faiths are welcome.” It never 
>conditioned specific subjects not to be 
>discussed as long as they fit in these two main 
>categories, faith, and, blindness. So, don’t 
>threaten me with removing me, just do it if you 
>want to. I simply don’t appreciate such tone, 
>clear? Well again, Jesus said, I am the way to 
>the Father. He also said, I and the Father are 
>one. Both mean the same thing my dear. Did he 
>ever say, I and the Father are the same. Jesus 
>is the only way to the Father, and so, is 
>Muhammad, Moses, David, Solomon, Noah, Abraham, 
>Lot etc etc. They all came to us with the same 
>message, calling people to worship God alone. In 
>Islam, God is providentially Omnipotent. He 
>thence is able to forgive us, without the need 
>to formulate this dramatic scenario. People are 
>not expected to be perfect. They just need to do 
>their best to get morally elicited and to 
>spiritually be elevated, gradually bit by bit 
>until they reach up to the celestial realm. I 
>urge you once again, to make sure that you type 
>the name of prophet Muhammad correctly. You’ve 
>misspelled it twice and I dislike to assume that 
>of being somewhat deliberate. So, based on what 
>Jesus said and did, in the Bible you wholly hold 
>up to, he simply cannot be God. That’s why, 
>Christians constantly demand to methodologically 
>palter as it comes to this critical concern. How 
>could we explain then my dear, Jesus implores to 
>God, on multiple occasions throughout the 
>parables. Well, here are some quotes of that. 
>Hebrews 5:7, “In the days of His flesh, He 
>offered up both prayers and supplications with 
>loud crying and tears to the One able to save 
>Him from death, and He was heard because of His 
>piety.” Three questions here, first, if he is 
>truly divine, why was he praying then? Second, 
>How could he be described as pious if he is 
>divine? Third, if he is divine indeed, why was 
>he yelling for redemption?    Well, here is 
>another quote: “Matthew 14:23, “After He had 
>sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain 
>by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He 
>was there alone.” Well, my question here is, 
>does God need to unfeignedly implore in 
>seclusion? Just call it a day folks, it’s 
>either black or white. Jesus cannot be human and 
>divine at the same time. That just cannot be 
>discerned. You will tell me then, well, God can 
>do whatever he wants eh? Well, can he die? Can 
>God die? According to you, yes. But, if he is 
>fully capable of doing anything, why couldn’t 
>he just forgive us? In Islam, when Adam and Eve 
>sinned, God taught them how to repent and they 
>have been forgiven, simple, easy and 
>straightforward. God is all wise and he 
>doesn’t do things that are quite illogical and 
>meaningless. Can God oppress someone? According 
>to your eccentric narrative of the tale, he 
>actuallly has done. When he sacrificed the 
>innocent on the behalf of the guilty. He thence 
>ordains us of maintaining justice. How is that 
>possibly conciliated? As you guys can see, the 
>matter here exacerbates. I genuinely do not 
>destine to provoke or offend anyone here. I just 
>urge people to ponder in the light of what the 
>scripture has actually taught. Lastly, kindly, 
>if I’ll be unsubscribed for whatever motive, 
>just keep me noticed in advanced, thank you. On 
>12/15/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > What about 
>Jesus saying in John 14 where Jesus says, > “I 
>am the way, the truth, and the life. No man 
>comes to the Father but by > me! > That sure 
>sounds like Jesus is God himself to me! > What 
>does that mean to you? > How this in Acts 
>chapter 4; > Salvation is found in nobody else, 
>for there is no other name under Heaven, > given 
>to man by which one must be saved! > What does 
>that mean to you? > Next, did Muhamad rise from 
>the dead for you to be your advocate in heaven > 
>between you and the Father? > Do you believe you 
>need to be perfect to enter Heaven! > Scripture 
>says that none of us our perfect. > That is why 
>we need a savior to forgive all of our sins! > 
>We need every sin forgiven, scripture says, to 
>enter heaven! > Islam just does not jive with 
>these scriptures, show me how it does! > David 
>Moore > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > 
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>Subject: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, 
>Christ in Truth > > On each and every Sunday, 
>Christians around the world gather at > Churches 
>to glorify Christ. They consider him deified. 
>Nonetheless, he > never expressed that about 
>himself explicitly. It is immensely > perilous 
>to lay Christians to dig into the Bible 
>themselves because > it's most unlikely that 
>they'll find Jesus enjoining people to worship > 
>him. There are two main set of statements 
>regarding Jesus's > phraseology in the 
>scripture. Explicit and implicit statements. 
>What > is an explicit statement? It is what has 
>been stated plainly, readily > observable, 
>leaving nothing to implication. Such as Jesus 
>saying in > John 3:17:; "Now this is eternal 
>life, that they know you, the only > true God, 
>and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." So here, 
>Jesus > clearly acknowledges divinity and 
>monotheism to the One and true God > and 
>declares himself being sent by Him to convey His 
>message to > people. Then, we have implicit 
>statements, whereas some of them are > allegedly 
>attributed to Jesus or possibly misconstrued by 
>some > apologists for essentially systematic 
>theology motives. Such as Jesus > saying in John 
>10:30; "I and the Father are one". Christian 
>apologists > assert he has meant they are one in 
>entity while the text > presumptively entails 
>they are one in identity. Another instance, > 
>where Jesus explicitly distinguishes between 
>himself and God. Jesus > says in John 8:40; "As 
>it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a > 
>man who has told you the truth that I heard from 
>God." According to > the Bible you wholly hold 
>up to, this was Jesus speaking to the Jews. > 
>This particular passage has three crucial 
>messages to catch. First > off, Jesus declared 
>that Jews attempted to kill him. Thence, I > 
>actually don't fathom the awkward relationship 
>today between those who > allegedly are the 
>followers of Jesus and those who, according to > 
>scripture, were sternly hostile to him. Second, 
>Jesus unambiguously > stated that he is a man 
>who heard the word of God and destined to pass > 
>it through to people. He didn't say I am God in 
>man incarnate or any > of that. So, the 
>personification of the divine in the character 
>of > Jesus is a later developed doctrine called 
>the Hypostatic union. It is > interesting to 
>note, that historically, this particular 
>doctrine has > only been prefaced at the Council 
>of Chalcedon in the year (451). > Consequently, 
>it is demonstratively fallacious to embrace such 
>tenet > as it has been decisively probed to be 
>absolutely mendacious. > Moreover, according to 
>your own version of the Bible, in English, the > 
>description of Jesus's mission precisely befits 
>the definition of > prophethood in Islam. Third, 
>Jesus says he heard the truth from God. > So, 
>what is it? It is the message that he plainly 
>stated in John 3:17 > as quoted above. 
>Furthermore, Jesus spoke the truth as he 
>delivered > the message to a tremendous croud as 
>he uttered a magnanimous speech > known 
>biblically as sermon on the mount. In this major 
>discourse, he > taught the public what is 
>biblically known as the Lord's prayer. If > you 
>Read this, while parallelly citing the opening 
>of the Koran > translated into English, you will 
>discover a gravely unexpected > similarity. I 
>won't be taken aback, because it is yet the same 
>message > of Monotheism. Jesus implored to God. 
>If he was himself God, it would > have been 
>quite irrational of Jesus praying to himself. I 
>urge > pastoral staff and their loyally fellow 
>congregants, to unfeignedly > seek the truth 
>regarding Jesus's solely spoken word in the 
>Gospel. > Trust me, after I read the Bible many 
>times, my faith and conviction > of Islam being 
>the true pathway to the celestial realm has > 
>strengthened leastwise two fold. I do hope that 
>you find this message > to you encouraging not 
>frustrating. It is not my nature to deride or > 
>marginalise someone's belief. Please, read the 
>whole gospel and > earnestly seek to find what 
>Jesus says in it. I do not recognise the > words 
>spoken by Paul or others about Jesus. I only 
>care about what was > directly spoken by Jesus. 
>The essence of this message is quite plain. > 
>Find the truth and stick to it. I wholeheartedly 
>say to you, If I knew > that Christianity is 
>indeed the truth and only path to salvation, I > 
>would have unhesitatingly embraced it. This is 
>not a joke nor it bears > to be. > > 
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