[Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth

[Mustafa Almahdy]

I’d like to make it clear to everyone here, that I am not suppose to
talk about blindness unless I have proper motive to do so. For me,
before being blind, I am a theologist who knows about both, Islam and
Christianity. I’d like to add some points to my previous rebuttal.
Although the story of Adam and Eve is mentioned in Genesis, the
current concept of Original Sin as known by Christians has been later
developed by Saul of Tarsus whom Christians today refer to as, Saint
Paul. This concept is basically the backbone of Christian faith as we
know it today. Unlike the Koran, the Bible is thought to be divided to
Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, God is clearly one and
such concepts of Jesus being divine, the Trinity etc, haven’t been
mentioned there. True, Christian apologists unsuccessfully attempt to
strangely interpret things like, let’s make man in our immage and so
on, still, that doesn’t explicitly speak of what has been later
inserted by Paul and other authors. There are 29 verse of Jesus
praying throughout the parables. I just don’t know folks, where could
I go with Luke 6:12 as it says: “It was at this time that He went off
to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer to
God.” How could he be divine afterward? How are you folks able to
intently dispose of such plain evidence and falsely  stick to what is
implicitly construed? It is quite odd for me to be deceitful of myself
as such. Jesus has been plainly portrayed as someone who devotes
himself to submit in full recognition and obeisance to Allah glory be
to Him. Had he been divine, he would have not demanded to implore onto
the most High. At his time of cataclysm, he prayed onto his Lord to
help him. In Matthew 26:39, Jesus says: “And He went a little beyond
them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is
possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You
will." Is this the disposal of an exalted being? Muslims therefore
believe, that Jesus, peace be upon him was sent to people by God to
deliver His message to them. That was the same mission of Moses,
David, Solomon, John, Zechariah, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob
and so on. Implicit in that, Islam is the religion of all those
prophets, as they have been sealed by Muhammad, peace and blessings be
upon him. In Islam, God doesn’t need someone to die on the Cross to
forgive us. He glory be to Him is providentially Omnipotent  and
eminently Self-sufficient to do so. The Christian concept of
redemption is intellectually purblind. As plainly stated in the
parables, Jesus has unappeasably implored to God in seclusion. That’s
the common temperament of the pious. He thence couldn’t be worshipping
and being worshipped simultaneously. I urge you folks to seek the
truth and deferentially comply to it. Despite the consequences, truth
is loud and worthy to be unconditionally consecrated. Let us just be
impartial as we view such critical matters.



On 12/15/19, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Well, blindness doesn't resemble a major element of my life. I am not
> used to speak, blindness blindness. Faith is rather a crucial factor
> of my life.
>
> On 12/15/19, David Andrews via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The key words there are faith and blindness -- not just faith.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 11:21 PM 12/14/2019, you wrote:
>>>Well, David, the threat of removing me for
>>>speaking briefly about my religion is not
>>>delineated in the list’s major guidelines. On
>>>the list’s info page, it says this:
>>>“Faith-talk is a list where people can discuss
>>>matters related to faith and/or blindness.
>>>Persons of all faiths are welcome.† It never
>>>conditioned specific subjects not to be
>>>discussed as long as they fit in these two main
>>>categories, faith, and, blindness. So, don’t
>>>threaten me with removing me, just do it if you
>>>want to. I simply don’t appreciate such tone,
>>>clear? Well again, Jesus said, I am the way to
>>>the Father. He also said, I and the Father are
>>>one. Both mean the same thing my dear. Did he
>>>ever say, I and the Father are the same. Jesus
>>>is the only way to the Father, and so, is
>>>Muhammad, Moses, David, Solomon, Noah, Abraham,
>>>Lot etc etc. They all came to us with the same
>>>message, calling people to worship God alone. In
>>>Islam, God is providentially Omnipotent. He
>>>thence is able to forgive us, without the need
>>>to formulate this dramatic scenario. People are
>>>not expected to be perfect. They just need to do
>>>their best to get morally elicited and to
>>>spiritually be elevated, gradually bit by bit
>>>until they reach up to the celestial realm. I
>>>urge you once again, to make sure that you type
>>>the name of prophet Muhammad correctly. You’ve
>>>misspelled it twice and I dislike to assume that
>>>of being somewhat deliberate. So, based on what
>>>Jesus said and did, in the Bible you wholly hold
>>>up to, he simply cannot be God. That’s why,
>>>Christians constantly demand to methodologically
>>>palter as it comes to this critical concern. How
>>>could we explain then my dear, Jesus implores to
>>>God, on multiple occasions throughout the
>>>parables. Well, here are some quotes of that.
>>>Hebrews 5:7, “In the days of His flesh, He
>>>offered up both prayers and supplications with
>>>loud crying and tears to the One able to save
>>>Him from death, and He was heard because of His
>>>piety.† Three questions here, first, if he is
>>>truly divine, why was he praying then? Second,
>>>How could he be described as pious if he is
>>>divine? Third, if he is divine indeed, why was
>>>he yelling for redemption?    Well, here is
>>>another quote: “Matthew 14:23, “After He had
>>>sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain
>>>by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He
>>>was there alone.† Well, my question here is,
>>>does God need to unfeignedly implore in
>>>seclusion? Just call it a day folks, it’s
>>>either black or white. Jesus cannot be human and
>>>divine at the same time. That just cannot be
>>>discerned. You will tell me then, well, God can
>>>do whatever he wants eh? Well, can he die? Can
>>>God die? According to you, yes. But, if he is
>>>fully capable of doing anything, why couldn’t
>>>he just forgive us? In Islam, when Adam and Eve
>>>sinned, God taught them how to repent and they
>>>have been forgiven, simple, easy and
>>>straightforward. God is all wise and he
>>>doesn’t do things that are quite illogical and
>>>meaningless. Can God oppress someone? According
>>>to your eccentric narrative of the tale, he
>>>actuallly has done. When he sacrificed the
>>>innocent on the behalf of the guilty. He thence
>>>ordains us of maintaining justice. How is that
>>>possibly conciliated? As you guys can see, the
>>>matter here exacerbates. I genuinely do not
>>>destine to provoke or offend anyone here. I just
>>>urge people to ponder in the light of what the
>>>scripture has actually taught. Lastly, kindly,
>>>if I’ll be unsubscribed for whatever motive,
>>>just keep me noticed in advanced, thank you. On
>>>12/15/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk
>>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > What about
>>>Jesus saying in John 14 where Jesus says, > “I
>>>am the way, the truth, and the life. No man
>>>comes to the Father but by > me! > That sure
>>>sounds like Jesus is God himself to me! > What
>>>does that mean to you? > How this in Acts
>>>chapter 4; > Salvation is found in nobody else,
>>>for there is no other name under Heaven, > given
>>>to man by which one must be saved! > What does
>>>that mean to you? > Next, did Muhamad rise from
>>>the dead for you to be your advocate in heaven >
>>>between you and the Father? > Do you believe you
>>>need to be perfect to enter Heaven! > Scripture
>>>says that none of us our perfect. > That is why
>>>we need a savior to forgive all of our sins! >
>>>We need every sin forgiven, scripture says, to
>>>enter heaven! > Islam just does not jive with
>>>these scriptures, show me how it does! > David
>>>Moore > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >
>>>From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk > Sent:
>>>Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:24 AM > To:
>>>debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; >
>>>dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org;
>>>erickelly at bellsouth.net;
>>>a.bentson at comcast.net; >
>>>vance.jenkins at bsumc.com;
>>>beverly.clapp at bsumc.com; joyce.ford at bsumc.com; >
>>>robpowl306 at gmail.com; chris.malaska at bsumc.com;
>>>stacy.phillips at bsumc.com; >
>>>debbie.friddle at bsumc.com;
>>>faithfreedom2 at gmail.com;
>>>faith-talk at nfbnet.org; >
>>>kbaggett at brainerdbaptist.org;
>>>adooley at ebcjackson.org; >
>>>amanda.poff at nashvillefirst.org;
>>>tom.crow at nashvillefirst.org; >
>>>kelly.ablaza at longhollow.com;
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>>>onecrowsnest at gmail.com; josh.hrbc at gmail.com;
>>>hrbcmusic at gmail.com; > wandawiles at charter.net;
>>>lee3066 at bellsouth.net > Cc: Mustafa Almahdy >
>>>Subject: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue,
>>>Christ in Truth > > On each and every Sunday,
>>>Christians around the world gather at > Churches
>>>to glorify Christ. They consider him deified.
>>>Nonetheless, he > never expressed that about
>>>himself explicitly. It is immensely > perilous
>>>to lay Christians to dig into the Bible
>>>themselves because > it's most unlikely that
>>>they'll find Jesus enjoining people to worship >
>>>him. There are two main set of statements
>>>regarding Jesus's > phraseology in the
>>>scripture. Explicit and implicit statements.
>>>What > is an explicit statement? It is what has
>>>been stated plainly, readily > observable,
>>>leaving nothing to implication. Such as Jesus
>>>saying in > John 3:17:; "Now this is eternal
>>>life, that they know you, the only > true God,
>>>and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." So here,
>>>Jesus > clearly acknowledges divinity and
>>>monotheism to the One and true God > and
>>>declares himself being sent by Him to convey His
>>>message to > people. Then, we have implicit
>>>statements, whereas some of them are > allegedly
>>>attributed to Jesus or possibly misconstrued by
>>>some > apologists for essentially systematic
>>>theology motives. Such as Jesus > saying in John
>>>10:30; "I and the Father are one". Christian
>>>apologists > assert he has meant they are one in
>>>entity while the text > presumptively entails
>>>they are one in identity. Another instance, >
>>>where Jesus explicitly distinguishes between
>>>himself and God. Jesus > says in John 8:40; "As
>>>it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a >
>>>man who has told you the truth that I heard from
>>>God." According to > the Bible you wholly hold
>>>up to, this was Jesus speaking to the Jews. >
>>>This particular passage has three crucial
>>>messages to catch. First > off, Jesus declared
>>>that Jews attempted to kill him. Thence, I >
>>>actually don't fathom the awkward relationship
>>>today between those who > allegedly are the
>>>followers of Jesus and those who, according to >
>>>scripture, were sternly hostile to him. Second,
>>>Jesus unambiguously > stated that he is a man
>>>who heard the word of God and destined to pass >
>>>it through to people. He didn't say I am God in
>>>man incarnate or any > of that. So, the
>>>personification of the divine in the character
>>>of > Jesus is a later developed doctrine called
>>>the Hypostatic union. It is > interesting to
>>>note, that historically, this particular
>>>doctrine has > only been prefaced at the Council
>>>of Chalcedon in the year (451). > Consequently,
>>>it is demonstratively fallacious to embrace such
>>>tenet > as it has been decisively probed to be
>>>absolutely mendacious. > Moreover, according to
>>>your own version of the Bible, in English, the >
>>>description of Jesus's mission precisely befits
>>>the definition of > prophethood in Islam. Third,
>>>Jesus says he heard the truth from God. > So,
>>>what is it? It is the message that he plainly
>>>stated in John 3:17 > as quoted above.
>>>Furthermore, Jesus spoke the truth as he
>>>delivered > the message to a tremendous croud as
>>>he uttered a magnanimous speech > known
>>>biblically as sermon on the mount. In this major
>>>discourse, he > taught the public what is
>>>biblically known as the Lord's prayer. If > you
>>>Read this, while parallelly citing the opening
>>>of the Koran > translated into English, you will
>>>discover a gravely unexpected > similarity. I
>>>won't be taken aback, because it is yet the same
>>>message > of Monotheism. Jesus implored to God.
>>>If he was himself God, it would > have been
>>>quite irrational of Jesus praying to himself. I
>>>urge > pastoral staff and their loyally fellow
>>>congregants, to unfeignedly > seek the truth
>>>regarding Jesus's solely spoken word in the
>>>Gospel. > Trust me, after I read the Bible many
>>>times, my faith and conviction > of Islam being
>>>the true pathway to the celestial realm has >
>>>strengthened leastwise two fold. I do hope that
>>>you find this message > to you encouraging not
>>>frustrating. It is not my nature to deride or >
>>>marginalise someone's belief. Please, read the
>>>whole gospel and > earnestly seek to find what
>>>Jesus says in it. I do not recognise the > words
>>>spoken by Paul or others about Jesus. I only
>>>care about what was > directly spoken by Jesus.
>>>The essence of this message is quite plain. >
>>>Find the truth and stick to it. I wholeheartedly
>>>say to you, If I knew > that Christianity is
>>>indeed the truth and only path to salvation, I >
>>>would have unhesitatingly embraced it. This is
>>>not a joke nor it bears > to be. > >
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