[gui-talk] Help Needed with Strange JAWS and Word Problem

Sat Dec 3 17:41:17 UTC 2016

Jonathan,

I may have to try Freedom Scientific support as you suggest as I am not
getting to the bottom of this.  NVDA, like Window-Eyes, seems to not change
the format.  I don't know if NVDA has a way to get the measurements from the
top left of the page, though, so I don't know if the actual measurements are
the same as Window-Eyes or not.  I could still be missing a setting that is
different, since there are so many.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

From: Jonathan Cohn [mailto:jon.c.cohn at gmail.com] 
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Help Needed with Strange JAWS and Word Problem

Interesting it might be worthwhile asking FS directly? I believe that 16 and
higher prefer UIA over MSAA when both are available. Though for Office
products I think JAWS and WindowEyes make extensive use of office's
scripting objects and do not rely as heavily on the accessibility API's.

How does NVDA handle the document in question?

                        Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

On Dec 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Steve Jacobson via gui-talk
<gui-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org> > wrote:

Hi,

Well, here is a minor update.  The problem I am having with JAWS causing the
page format in Word to change appears to have started with JAWS 16.  JAWS 15
is showing the same values for the distance from the top of the page as does
Window-Eyes, and I get three sets of data per page as I would expect.  With
JAWS 16, 17, and 18, without changing anything else, I only get two sets of
data per page and the distance from the top of the page is higher.  I am now
looking at whether there are differences in settings that might be affecting
this.  I have already checked the Windows System Settings in the BASIC tap
of the JAWS Option menu and those settings are the same.  I would really
appreciate any information about JAWS settings that might affect Word's page
format.  This is really annoying.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: RE: [gui-talk] Help Needed with Strange JAWS and Word Problem

Dave,

Thanks for the idea.  I tend to forget about quick settings.  No luck,
though but worth a try.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Steve, I don't know the answer to your question. I did see one thing 
that you could change, as a test, in quick settings, and see what it 
does.  Go to quick settings, when in word, insert-v then down arrow 
to layout, simple is the default, screen is the other choice.  I 
don't know what it will do... but worth a try.

Dave

At 09:30 PM 12/2/2016, you wrote:

Okay JAWS users, I am having a strange problem that I don't understand.  I
have a document arranged such that there are three sets of data on a page,
each in a large table cell.  This design has to do with how mail merges
work.  Anyway, when I use JAWS, the third set of data goes to a second
page.

If I leave Word running and switch to either NVDA or Window-Eyes, all three
sets of data fit on one page.  Also, the position from the top of the page
that is given by JAWS is somewhat higher than the position in inches from
the top given by Window-Eyes.  I tend to trust the Window-Eyes position
because when I change the top margin, the Window-Eyes position reflected
the

change while the JAWS position seemed not to.  Therefore, JAWS seems to be
changing a Word setting that also affects page formatting.  Does anyone
know

what is happening?

While I am sure I could change something to get this particular document to
work, this document is generated from a mail merge and I am working with
some other documents including mailing labels that have exhibited something
similar.  Therefore, I need to get to the bottom of why the screen reader
being used should affect this.  This is using the Print View and Word 2016
and JAWS 18 but I observed some of this with JAWS 17 and Word 2013 as well.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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