[Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job that I applied and got

Fri May 13 17:31:32 UTC 2022

Mike,
Well, they are stuck, then. They must come through for you.
Dick

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 12:30 PM Mike Stopka via Job-Discussions <
job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon dick,
>
> Thank you for your in-depth response. Quite honestly it's never been an
> issue for me if they want me to use a different screen reading software I
> am definitely open to that. But unfortunately at this point it's not a
> conditional job offer as the job offer was extended and the software was an
> afterthought for them. But even if they asked that I use nvda I would
> definitely be okay with that as long as I could do my job successfully.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2022, 1:07 PM Dick Davis via Job-Discussions <
> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I must disagree with Karen. If this was a conditional job offer based on
>> their ability to work with you to find reasonable accommodations, the offer
>> can be withdrawn if no reasonable accommodations can be found.
>>
>> There is a legal standard for what is “reasonable” based on multiple
>> factors including the size of the organization, it’s annual budget, and how
>> difficult it is to provide the accommodations. Reasonable accommodations
>> are not an absolute entitlement.
>>
>> Nor does the blind employee get to decide the accommodations. They must
>> be negotiated. The employer will likely seek the lowest cost solution that
>> works. And ultimately, that decision is the employer’s. Anyway, that’s the
>> way I learned it. If you want up to the minute stuff, I recommend you
>> consult an ADA lawyer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 12, 2022, at 10:53 PM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <
>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Godo stuff, sir.
>>
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>>
>> Outstanding.
>>
>> Justin
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>> *From:* Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Stopka via Job-Discussions
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:21 PM
>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc:* Mike Stopka <mikestopka1 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
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>>
>> I did, however they until the company actually gives me the exact
>> software name and not just the company name they said that they couldn't
>> help. However they did say that there was more than a chance that their
>> partner company could script it.
>>
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>> On Thu, May 12, 2022, 3:12 PM Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <
>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> There are some other accessibility folks that you might be able to locate
>> on the nfb vinder lists for the exhibit hall last year.
>>
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>> I also see folks offering accessibility services on the blind adds list.
>>
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>>
>> Justin
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>> *From:* Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Stopka via Job-Discussions
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:04 PM
>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc:* Mike Stopka <mikestopka1 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
>>
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>> As I said in a previous post. I would have no problems if they presented
>> me with an alternative option. They just asked me what software I use. I
>> would be willing to use whatever software they are willing to use on their
>> systems. So it is nothing about discrimination here at this point. It's
>> more that it would be discrimination if they gave me the job and then took
>> it back due to supposedly no accessibility issues.
>>
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>> On Thu, May 12, 2022, 2:48 PM Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <
>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> One could argue that.
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>> True.
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>>
>> I don't care to be forced into a spot, but you have a point.
>>
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>> Justin
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>> *From:* Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael Walker via Job-Discussions
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2022 2:30 PM
>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc:* Michael Walker <michael.walker199014 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
>>
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>> I don’t think of it as discrimination, if they find a way to make the job
>> accessible, regardless of whether they use VoiceOver or JAWS.  The point is
>> that they find a way to make the job accessible.
>>
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>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
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>> *From: *Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:06 PM
>> *To: *Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc: *Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
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>> I would still call that discrimination if thye don't give you a jaws for
>> windows options at all.
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>> *From:* Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Stopka via
>> Job-Discussions
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:40 PM
>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc:* Mike Stopka <mikestopka1 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
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>> This wouldn't be a work from home position. I would actually be going
>> into the call center. But that does help and give me a bit of information.
>>
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>> On Thu, May 12, 2022, 1:38 PM ajharmon26 via Job-Discussions <
>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have tried applying direct with Conduient and they have point-blank
>> told me they do not have any support for JAWS or screen-reading technology
>> as of the time of applying back in 2018. I don’t know if they have changed
>> at all, but they were pretty blatant about not wanting me as I very
>> specifically mentioned I am a screen-reader user and wanted to ask who to
>> contact regarding their technology as I had already been burned by applying
>> to a work-from-home company called “My Employment Options”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Harmon
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Stopka via Job-Discussions
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:54 AM
>> *To:* job-discussions at nfbnet.org
>> *Cc:* Mike Stopka
>> *Subject:* [Job-Discussions] Questions about accessibility for a job
>> that I applied and got
>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>> I applied for a job at a place called paper solutions here in New york.
>> They are a call center job that does work for different companies. However
>> after I got my offer and filled out all my tax forms. We started talking
>> about my accessibility needs. They are now trying to figure out if the
>> software will be accessible. But are basically telling me that if it's not
>> that the job will not exist anymore. However they are working with a
>> company called conduent  which runs their call center software. And I'm
>> trying to find out if anybody has had any experience with this company?
>> Also if they have if these call center softwares are accessible with jobs
>> for windows. Any help or guidance in the right direction and navigating
>> this situation would be grateful. Mike
>>
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