[MusicTlk] Accessible harp music score and XML format

[No-C-Notes Music]

I appreciate  Eden sharing her experience with a sheet music provider.
This is great and why it is easy for me to comply with copyright laws if
that xml or sheet music is sent to me by the person who purchased it.  I
can produce No-C-Notes from it, but only for that one person. I cannot be
available for anyone else.

My situation is different as I am not blind, but a publisher of derivative
works which Hal Leonard terms as third party and denies me to create and
publish No-C-Notes of printed score or from xml or whatever else is out
there.  They approve if I do it for a nonprofit service agency for the
blind which I have done for NLS in the past.  But then according to the
Chaffey Copyright Amendment, I do not need their permission to do that.

So I carry on with seeking a nonprofit agency to be my fiscal agent, or I
might just do a nonprofit on my own.  I am a former nonprofit consultant
and accountant, and I know the work involved.

Cheers,
Christing

Christina Cotruvo
No-C-Notes
Duluth, MN  USA
218-595-0762
www.no-c-notes.com

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 1:37 PM, No-C-Notes Music <xinamusic at no-c-notes.com>
wrote:

> Hello Ned, Thank you for asking and apologizes for a long reply.  I hope I
> can answer your questions along with possible others the forum might have.
>
> For converting PDF into XML, try SmartScore.
>
> There are earlier productions of No-C-Notes audio music description for
> organ sheet music that was done by verbal reading, not with using my
> current software that produces the reading.  I have not offered these
> earlier editions for sale or loan as I would have to update their audio
> file format to use with today’s digital playback devices. I started
> No-C-Notes over thirty years ago in the four track two speed audio cassette
> days. The organ audio described scores are just like the piano score ones,
> but with organ music playback sounds and keyboard tones with rhythm, pedal
> and markings read.  If you would like a free example, please send me a
> score through my website.
>
> There is a request form on the No-C-Notes page that you can submit with a
> pdf of the music to receive a quote and time estimate.   The form is at:
> https://www.xinamusic.com/no-c-notes/no-c-notes-transcription-request/
> Otherwise, I could take your musescore, smart score or finale file and
> convert it to give you an estimate.
>
> I am restricted in what I can offer you beyond your request and here is
> why.
>
> What I offer now and what will be offered in the future will be quite
> different as I seek a nonprofit agency servicing the blind to provide
> No-C-Notes. Or I finally just become one myself as I don’t make money at
> this anyway, HA! HA!  I am discussing this with a couple of agencies to
> be in compliance with the Chaffey Copyright Amendment.  This section of
> the copyright law states you have to be a nonprofit agency servicing the
> blind, and maintaining confirmation of the disability of your consumers, to
> be able to produce and give or sell a copyright piece of music as an
> alternate format.  I am only able to do it on a transcription for a
> musician service or within a teaching situation of the one, but I cannot
> offer it to another in any format even if that person is blind.  Or the
> artist publisher gives me permission.
>
>  An example is, I personally have several copyright songs and
> arrangements.  You could not produce and give or sell it in another
> format such as audio described or xml or another language for anyone –
> doesn’t matter blind or not – without first securing my permission, unless
> you are that nonprofit blind servicing agency.  There is no ADA in the
> Chaffey Copyright Amendment.  I have several attorneys advising me of
> this, but if there is another attorney out there that would tell me
> otherwise, I would immediately put everything I have out on my website and
> much much more!
>
> I am a therapeutic musician with a visual disability and find print
> copyright restrictions and availability such as this frustrating in United
> States.  The book The Untold Story of the Talking Book by Matthew Rubery
> emulates the struggles of those with visual disabilities in accessing
> multiple methods by our government that has only one type of sheet music
> method. NLS will not offer No-C-Notes for these reasons: “We believe the
> presentation of the music would not engage our patrons. While converting
> books to audio appears to be a helpful aid for those who cannot read music,
> we have found that it is difficult to convey text book instruction in the
> audio format as successfully as it is conveyed directly from print into
> braille and large print.”
>
> My No-C-Notes thirty years of experience and referrals I have not found
> that to be true.  England and the Netherlands have government agencies
> supporting and providing audio music score.  Maybe I’ll declare myself my
> own county and government…..just kidding.
> Thanks for the soap box and I welcome any reasonable level-headed feedback,
>
> Christina Cotruvo
> No-C-Notes
> Duluth, MN  USA
> 218-595-0762
> www.no-c-notes.com
>
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>>    1. Re: Accessible harp music score (Ned O'Brien)
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>> Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 09:17:24 -0400
>> From: "Ned O'Brien" <ned968 at gmail.com>
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>> Have you done any organ music? Is there a sample of this method available?
>> Didn't see one on your website. How do you pick what music to do?
>> thx
>> ned
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:06 AM, No-C-Notes Music via MusicTlk <
>> musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> >  Thank you for the welcome.  I apologize to everyone for my duplicate
>> > postings. I couldn't remember which email address I had subscribed to
>> this
>> > list with.  I am a sighted musician with glaucoma and other challenges
>> who
>> > provides audio music described score for over thirty years now. I also
>> > create folk harp arrangements, direct ukulele community sessions and am
>> > learning to play my harp ukulele.
>> >
>> > I started audio music description reading with piano score using the 4
>> > track 2 speed cassette recording device sitting next to my piano while I
>> > played the music and then spoke the notation describing tones and
>> timing.
>> > I now have a software that produces the printed music score into an
>> audio
>> > with my voice reading the sheet music in the No-C-Notes method.
>> No-C-Notes
>> > is not reading of Braille music notation but rather an a b c method I
>> > developed thirty years ago that sighted and those with visual impairment
>> > could understand without learning printed music notation or Braille. I
>> have
>> > audio described trumpet, bagpipes, guitar, piano, vocal, harp and many
>> more
>> > instruments.
>> >
>> > My blogspot posting of harp music was a long time coming.  I am seeking
>> > harp players or their teachers who have challenges for interviews.  As I
>> > post more piano music score in the future I will provide interviews and
>> > methods with a new No-C-Notes blog that covers the variety of musicians,
>> > teachers and instruments.
>> >
>> > I have enjoyed being the fly on the wall for awhile with this list and
>> > appreciate the conversations.
>> >
>> > Christina
>> >
>> > Christina Cotruvo
>> > No-C-Notes
>> > Duluth, MN  USA
>> > www.no-c-notes.com
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>> Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 09:33:24 -0400
>> From: "Ned O'Brien" <ned968 at gmail.com>
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [MusicTlk] XML format
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>> Can someone explain method to get sheet music into xml format? From what I
>> found so far, is that you cannot convert a scanned piece saved in pdf to
>> xml. I would like to use the programs that can read xm. sheet music, but
>> can't figure out how to get there
>> thx
>> ned
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 10:09:48 -0700
>> From: Eden <eden420 at comcast.net>
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
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>> Yes I think there are programs, but I've heard you heally need sighted
>> help to sfot errors in the pdf. There are some sites that sell sheet music
>> and they do already have it in musicxml format. I had to threaten lawsuits
>> and social media complaints to get equal and fair access. Simpby find
>> yourself an online  sheet music stohe 1explain that you are blind and
>> especially if you liv ear America that they are violating the Ada because
>> they have digital formats and can provide them and 'are refusing to.
>> Eden
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