[MusicTlk] XML format

Wed May 23 00:53:10 UTC 2018

It can be done.  It's just difficult, since there doesn't seem to 
be an optimum tool for it.  File formats also matter.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: jovian3 via MusicTlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org
To: "'Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians'" 
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Date sent: Tue, 22 May 2018 18:15:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [MusicTlk] XML format

So basically, there is no way to convert a printed sheet of music 
into Braille music?

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From: MusicTlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Ned O'Brien via MusicTlk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 12:26 PM
To: Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians
Cc: Ned O'Brien
Subject: Re: [MusicTlk] XML format

Thank you very much for the comprehensive answer for pdf to xml 
conversion.
There are a number of  programs that say they can do this but 
when pushed on that, they can't.  Having played the orgaqn soley 
by sight reading, now that I have lost most vision I need an 
alternative.  It is a shame no converison is possibe, because I 
have hundreds of pages of music.  But I guess that's what happens 
when one is never taught to memorize.  I am currently trying to 
re learn to play.
thanks for the response
ned

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:15 AM, BillList1 via MusicTlk 
<musictlk at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Right, the Lime notation editor software that is a key component 
of
 the GoodFeel suite from Dancing Dots can import MusicXML files 
thereby
 making them immediately accessible for speech, braille, and 
magnification users.
 But something has to convert the original pdf to MusicXML 
format.
 Lime cannot open or import PDF documents.

 One promising application is PDFToMusic Pro.  Sometimes, it does 
a
 great job but sometimes it does not.
 http://www.myriad-online.com/en/products/pdftomusicpro.htm

 Some pdf documents are printed from a music notation program 
like
 Finale or Sibelius.  Ideally, instead of printing to pdf, the 
creator
 of those scores could export to MusicXML instead.  That is, 
Finale,
 Sibelius and over one-hundred other notation programs can now 
export
 to MusicXML format directly.  MusicXML export has become a 
standard
 feature.  Users of Sibelius and Finale can also download and 
install
 the free Dolet plug-in for exporting MusicXML.  We have found 
that, in
 many cases, Dolet creates more detailed MusicXML scores.
 https://www.musicxml.com/

 SharpEye Music Reader, the music OCR program that is a component 
of
 the suites of accessible music notation we supply, cannot read 
pdf
 format directly.  Users must first convert pdf to the tiff image
 format.  There are some free and paid tools to make that 
conversion.
 The Tiff Image Printer from Peernet.com works very well.

 The music scanning applications for Finale and Sibelius, 
SmartScore
 and PhotoScore respectively, both can read and scan pdf 
documents directly.
 But, as with any OCR process, scanning errors are inevitable.  
We
 blind musicians will need a sighted assistant who can refer to 
the
 original score and make necessary corrections for us before the 
any
 resulting MusicXML can be of use to us.

 In the best of all possible worlds, publishers would make the 
MusicXML
 version of their scores available to those of us who need to 
access
 that information in an alternative format.  Those kinds of
 arrangements are already happening on an informal basis.  That 
is, a
 good number of our customers already have successfully persuaded 
some
 publishers to supply them with MusicXML versions of pdf or 
hardcopy
 scores for which they have already paid.

 Bill McCann
 Dancing Dots

 -----Original Message-----
 From: MusicTlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Jessica Raichle via MusicTlk
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:30 PM
 To: Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians
 Cc: Jessica Raichle
 Subject: Re: [MusicTlk] XML format

 You canâ€™t convert a PDF to XML in line or could feel.

 Jessica

 On May 20, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Chris Nusbaum via MusicTlk <
 musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I believe this conversion can be done in either Goodfeel.  If 
you
 have
 the scanned copy, import it into Lime and it will convert to XML 
or
 any other format it supports.

 Chris Nusbaum

 On May 19, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Ned O'Brien via MusicTlk <
 musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Can someone explain method to get sheet music into xml format? 
From
 what I
 found so far, is that you cannot convert a scanned piece saved 
in
 pdf to xml.  I would like to use the programs that can read xm.
 sheet music, but can't figure out how to get there thx ned
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