[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Hope Paulos
hope.paulos at maine.edu
Fri Nov 14 14:07:58 UTC 2008
That would be the only reason , wouldn't have something brought
to me by an employee. I might have a friend bring it, because I
can tell them what I want, especially if I know what's there. On
buffet lines, like chinese restaurants, I usually go up with the
person. I don't like to because I usually need to leave my guide
dog at the table, but I enjoy deciding what's on my plate as
well. It's especially important when you never know what's up
there and the buffet is quite large.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:21:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>YOu might be right, Peter. However, we don't have trays at the
dining
>hall as I've said, and it's very crowded during peak hours. I
like it
>better when a friend is with me that I can actually trusdt.
>Beth
>On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> I would respectfully disagree with the comment that Serena's
friend
>> Anthony made about having others bring food to you. For me
there's
>> something really good about going to get my own food even if
someone
>> is with me to help me find stuff or carry it. It's not just
about
>> proving yourself or making a point to someone else that I can
do it.
>> It's that I want to be there to decide what's going to end up
on my
>> plate. If I let someone else do it for me, no matter how nice
and
>> trustworthy they may be, people make mistakes. I don't want to
leave
>> it up to someone else to remember that I like meat loaf and
don't
>> like pork chops, or that I really love spaghetti and will go
crazy
>> when that's on the buffet but I'd prefer a more moderate
portion
>> when it's fried chicken. I also want the freedom to decide on
the spot
>> how much of each food I want when it's right in front of me and
I know
>> what my other choices are.
>> This is the same reason why they teach us at NFB training
centers
>> to always put the food in the cart ourselves when we shop with
>> customer service assistance. It's not that we want to be
>> anal-retentive about independence. It's that we want to be
sure we're
>> spending our money on the items we actually want and not being
>> accidentally given the gigantic container of fruit that we'll
never
>> eat, for instance, instead of the medium-sized portion that we
>> actually want to buy.
>> Beyond the more pragmatic concern, there's something really
cool
>> about going to a party or other social activity with sighted
peers
>> and walking around freely and getting your own stuff. I spent
most of
>> my childhood not knowing what that was like because most people
>> expected me to stay in one place and be helped by the sighted
people
>> around me because that was "easier" in their eyes. Recently
as I
>> have learned so much from the NFB members around me, I have
begun to
>> assert my independence more and more in these kinds of
situations
>> and to put myself out there as an independent blind person from
the
>> get-go when I meet new people. When I go to a party now and
walk
>> around freely, people expect me to be pretty much like everyone
else
>> and it makes it that much easier to socialize with them as an
equal.
>> That doesn't mean I don't occasionally use sighted guide or
enlist
>> assistance from others, but I really enjoy having the control to
>> decide when and how I want to be assisted.
>> I can't overemphasize the value of spending some time at one
of our
>> training centers, and going to our national conventions and
other NFB
>> events, where blind people do these kinds of things on an
everyday
>> basis. These are the best places to really see how others
handle
>> these tough situations, and to get the real-world education and
>> practice that will ultimately make them less tough and more
rewarding.
>> Cheers
>> Arielle
>> On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
>>> customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of
them,
>>> not just cook and wash dishes.
>>> Beth
>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hope,
>>>> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around
to the
>>>> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice.
They have
>>>> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs
are some
>>>> of
>>>> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in
class.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go
to the
>>>>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I
go to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to
each
>>>>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find
a table.
>>>>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room
coming off
>>>>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on,
too.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what
the
>>>>> woman
>>>>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you
this, or
>>>>> merely a student?
>>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>>>>> because
>>>>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>>>>> today
>>>>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>>>>> saying
>>>>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>>>>> it
>>>>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>>>>> basic
>>>>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>>>>> have
>>>>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>>>>> said
>>>>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>>>>> that
>>>>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>>>>> comments
>>>>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>>>>> of
>>>>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>>>>> don't mean to
>>>>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>>>>> in college.
>>>>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>>>>> hands. I
>>>>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>>>>> then, the
>>>>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>>>>> bought my own
>>>>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>>>>> campus and
>>>>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>>>>> staff
>>>>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>>>>> your are
>>>>>>>>> finished shopping.
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>>>>> offer to
>>>>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>>>>> to wait
>>>>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>>>>> tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray with
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>>>>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about this.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues. The
>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>>>>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>>>>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent since
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I
>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing, too,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>>>>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl and
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and it'll
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide
>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>>>>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl. I
>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but the
>>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind people
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend the
>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as will
>>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I agree
>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>>>>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter, simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>>>>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
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