[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Peter Donahue
pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
Fri Nov 14 19:12:57 UTC 2008
Hello Hope and listers,
For God sakes take the dog with you when going through the buffet
line!I do it all the time without any problems. Leaving your dog unattended
at a table is asking for trouble. Read my previous message on this subject
concerning my trip to the National Center last February.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
That would be the only reason , wouldn't have something brought
to me by an employee. I might have a friend bring it, because I
can tell them what I want, especially if I know what's there. On
buffet lines, like chinese restaurants, I usually go up with the
person. I don't like to because I usually need to leave my guide
dog at the table, but I enjoy deciding what's on my plate as
well. It's especially important when you never know what's up
there and the buffet is quite large.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:21:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>YOu might be right, Peter. However, we don't have trays at the
dining
>hall as I've said, and it's very crowded during peak hours. I
like it
>better when a friend is with me that I can actually trusdt.
>Beth
>On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> I would respectfully disagree with the comment that Serena's
friend
>> Anthony made about having others bring food to you. For me
there's
>> something really good about going to get my own food even if
someone
>> is with me to help me find stuff or carry it. It's not just
about
>> proving yourself or making a point to someone else that I can
do it.
>> It's that I want to be there to decide what's going to end up
on my
>> plate. If I let someone else do it for me, no matter how nice
and
>> trustworthy they may be, people make mistakes. I don't want to
leave
>> it up to someone else to remember that I like meat loaf and
don't
>> like pork chops, or that I really love spaghetti and will go
crazy
>> when that's on the buffet but I'd prefer a more moderate
portion
>> when it's fried chicken. I also want the freedom to decide on
the spot
>> how much of each food I want when it's right in front of me and
I know
>> what my other choices are.
>> This is the same reason why they teach us at NFB training
centers
>> to always put the food in the cart ourselves when we shop with
>> customer service assistance. It's not that we want to be
>> anal-retentive about independence. It's that we want to be
sure we're
>> spending our money on the items we actually want and not being
>> accidentally given the gigantic container of fruit that we'll
never
>> eat, for instance, instead of the medium-sized portion that we
>> actually want to buy.
>> Beyond the more pragmatic concern, there's something really
cool
>> about going to a party or other social activity with sighted
peers
>> and walking around freely and getting your own stuff. I spent
most of
>> my childhood not knowing what that was like because most people
>> expected me to stay in one place and be helped by the sighted
people
>> around me because that was "easier" in their eyes. Recently
as I
>> have learned so much from the NFB members around me, I have
begun to
>> assert my independence more and more in these kinds of
situations
>> and to put myself out there as an independent blind person from
the
>> get-go when I meet new people. When I go to a party now and
walk
>> around freely, people expect me to be pretty much like everyone
else
>> and it makes it that much easier to socialize with them as an
equal.
>> That doesn't mean I don't occasionally use sighted guide or
enlist
>> assistance from others, but I really enjoy having the control to
>> decide when and how I want to be assisted.
>> I can't overemphasize the value of spending some time at one
of our
>> training centers, and going to our national conventions and
other NFB
>> events, where blind people do these kinds of things on an
everyday
>> basis. These are the best places to really see how others
handle
>> these tough situations, and to get the real-world education and
>> practice that will ultimately make them less tough and more
rewarding.
>> Cheers
>> Arielle
>> On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
>>> customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of
them,
>>> not just cook and wash dishes.
>>> Beth
>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hope,
>>>> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around
to the
>>>> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice.
They have
>>>> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs
are some
>>>> of
>>>> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in
class.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go
to the
>>>>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I
go to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to
each
>>>>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find
a table.
>>>>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room
coming off
>>>>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on,
too.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what
the
>>>>> woman
>>>>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you
this, or
>>>>> merely a student?
>>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>>>>> because
>>>>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>>>>> today
>>>>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>>>>> saying
>>>>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>>>>> it
>>>>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>>>>> basic
>>>>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>>>>> have
>>>>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>>>>> said
>>>>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>>>>> that
>>>>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>>>>> comments
>>>>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>>>>> of
>>>>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>>>>> don't mean to
>>>>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>>>>> in college.
>>>>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>>>>> hands. I
>>>>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>>>>> then, the
>>>>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>>>>> bought my own
>>>>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>>>>> campus and
>>>>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>>>>> staff
>>>>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>>>>> your are
>>>>>>>>> finished shopping.
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>>>>> offer to
>>>>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>>>>> to wait
>>>>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>>>>> tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>>>>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>>>>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>>>>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>>>>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wide
>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>>>>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>>>>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>>>>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
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