[nabs-l] Conference call- Election discussion forum

Fri Aug 7 23:58:15 UTC 2009

Joseph,

I think your messages would be more easily perceived as attempting to rip
the organization apart than Antonio's post or any other message that has
crossed the list on the subject.  If I did not know you better, it would
seem as though you are trying to hide your disdain for the board behind
claims to rectify a problem you paint in distinctly negative tones.  Were
the elections carried out poorly?  Yes.  Does it reflect bad on the
organization?  On the contrary, it reflects poorly on the president at the
time.  In the grand scheme of things, it is a problem confined to one
evening, one small segment of the overall meeting, and I think Arielle has
gone above and beyond what was necessary to publicly apologize for the
incident.  The fact that the board is setting aside time to allow people to
discuss the issue at all says to me that they are genuinely trying to make
things right.  If you are concerned about the organization's reputation, do
not claim to care about that reputation and simultaneously slap the
organization while you're doing it.  Such behavior makes you look like a
loose canon hypocrite, and I personally have much higher expectations of
you.  We have never minced words when debating one on one in times past, a
large part of my respect for you, so in the interest of that ongoing trend
of candor, either put out your plan so that someone can speak for it on your
behalf or keep your thoughts away from the public forum that is primarily
responsible for the organization's reputation you so passionately want to
protect.  You are a very intelligent, thoughtful member, but do not sit
there and advance the notion that the world will freeze if the board cannot
accommodate your personal schedule when so many others are going to try to
make it.

Respectfully,

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Conference call- Election discussion forum

Joe,

You need to read my message again.  My issue is not with the 
board, it is with Antonio.  I've been TRYING TO STOP people who 
have the stated intention of ripping this organization apart.

I have received little or no support from the organization, who 
has largely blamed me for the controversy's existence.  You 
people need to figure out who does and who doesn't have the 
best interest of this organization in mind.

The time was TENTATIVELY SET because there was supposed to be 
discussion here on the list as to whether or not it could or 
should be moved to accommodate anyone who cannot make it at 
that time.  But it seems that this list would rather take 
personal swipes at the board, at me, and at anyone who actually 
wants a solution.  Either that or just ignore the whole thing.

Ever increasingly disappointed,
Joseph

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 03:48:43PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote:
>Joseph,
>
>Rather than bitch about how the board could not work its schedule 
>around your availability, why don't you offer your suggestion so that 
>people participating in the call can discuss its merits?  It seems far 
>simpler than using this situation to deliver an indirect blow at the 
>board.  I think you're a good guy, hence my being so 
straightforward with you.
>
>Joe Orozco
>
>"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the 
>crowd."--Max Lucado
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:31 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Conference call- Election discussion forum
>
>The problem's pretty well established at this point: The 
election was a 
>mess, and we need a way to ensure that registered members vote, and 
>that they get the same vote everyone else gets to prevent a screaming 
>contest and ensure an accurate count.
>
>I asked to participate in this call because I want to ensure that our 
>next election is not the embarrassment to the entire Federation that I 
>believe our last one to have been.  Of course, it appears that it will 
>be held at the one time in a two week span that I simply cannot 
>participate.  Rather than discuss a possibility of a time when 
I could, 
>you're trying to start a war against the board.  Good luck 
>accomplishing anything that way.
>
>I expect nothing will be accomplished this way, so perhaps it is no 
>great loss for me to be excluded.
>
>Increasingly disappointed,
>Joseph
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:49:37AM -0400, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>> Joseph,
>>
>> How can I talk about solutions to a problem, if I don't identify the 
>> problem.
>>
>> How do I not address what happened in the election process, if I am 
>> meeting to make sure those things don't happen again?
>>
>> I understand about being positive, and constructive, but 
expect me to 
>> have some measured criticism, and suggestions for solutions at the 
>> meeting.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. 
>>
>>
>>
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