[nabs-l] Research Paper Help

Thu Jun 18 23:15:48 UTC 2009

Marc,
The American's with Disabilities Act  says that by law two  out of the four 
of the items are required to be in place. Also keep in mind to that even in 
the college enviroment the blind and visually impaired are still in the 
minority even of the disabled student populations at any college that you 
might be attending.
Jessica
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AAFrom: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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> Marc,
>
> Your tone suggests it would be wrong of me to say it is the responsibility
> of the blind person to find their own classrooms?
>
> This is your criteria for deeming a campus accessible:
>
> 1. Fully accessible maps
>
> 2. Braille on every classroom door
>
> 3. Accessible elevators
>
> 4. Constructed in a way that requires little orientation for the blind
> individual
>
> I'm going to assume you are being sarcastic, correct me if I'm wrong.  But
> no institution could come clean on all four points, and even if it planned
> to do so in the future, there is still the matter of the here and now 
> where
> the blind student still needs to find their way.  My e-mail very clearly
> suggests a school should have no excuses not to show the blind student to
> their classrooms.  Imagine how that would pan out in the local newspapers?
> But, yes, ultimately, if the university is taking its sweet time about
> getting its act together, it is the responsibility of the student to find
> their way around campus just as it is their responsibility, and not the
> school's, to have the assignments completed.  The student should file a
> complaint or do whatever they need to do to rectify the situation, but I'm
> referring to what needs to be done today because when classes start the
> student needs to get there with or without the university's assistance.
> College is, after all, one step away from real life, and accessible maps,
> labeled doors and such are certainly not a part of finding the office for 
> an
> interview.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
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>
> I'm curious Joe, if not through public funding, and if not
> through assistance from the university, then whose
> responsibility is it.  My gut tells me you will say that it is
> of course the blind person's responsibility, but my gut has
> been wrong in the past.
>
> Just in case my gut is right this time, I would say that unless
> the university provides fully accessible maps, braille on every
> classroom door, accessible elevators, and is constructed in a
> manner that requires little in the way of orientation for a
> blind person to get around, then the university does have a
> responsibility to offer this sort of assistance.  In Canada
> anyways, I think it would be pretty easy to argue that this is
> a reasonable accommodation that doesn't impose an undo
> hardship, and I suspect the same would be true in american law.
>
> But I am genuinely curious whose responsibility you believe  it is.
>
> Marc
>
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> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:35 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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>
>
> Someone from the disability office should be able to undertake
> this task.
> If such an office does not exist, as may be true in a private
> institution, there is still some type of compliance officer on
> hand who should find a student worker to show the blind person
> to his or her classes.  A blind student need not have
> government assistance to be shown this courtesy.  In turn, the
> school need not be expected to carry out this courtesy, but I
> think they will be hard-pressed not to do such a small favor.
> Keep us posted, and write to me off list if you need someone to
> help you move forward with something more solid with the school.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on
> the crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of V Nork
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:48 AM
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>
> Hi all, Hope any of you can help me with some information for a
> research topic on mobility.  It involves a hypothetical
> question.  What would happen to a visually impaired student on
> your campus if he or she needed help with orientation and
> mobility but had no funding from government or social agencies?
> Let us say in this example the student already had basic white
> cane skills, but just needed to have someone walk with them
> until they had a route planned?  Would the college or
> university offer direct help?  On my campus, such help is seen
> as the individual responsibility of the blind student.   It is
> simply sink or swim if one does not have help or money to pay
> for it.It was suggested to me that someone who needed help
> should post a flyer on college bulletin boards.  It just seems
> to me that is reasonable to think that some member of the
> college or university could be designated to offer some
> assistance as a kind of mobility aideto do an initial run
> through so a student could get to classes each semester.  I
> have tried to lobby for this in a low key way, but so far my
> suggestions have fallen on unreceptive ears.   My request for
> tactile maps has also been seemingly ignored.  Is this similar
> or not to the situation on your campus?  Thanks for any
> thoughts, Ginnie _______________________________________________
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