[nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

Justin Young jty727 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 13 18:24:55 UTC 2010


Hello Val annd all!
I agree to fight this.  I also agree with contacting the NFB
Headquarters.  I think they and the Department of Justice will show
the school you are having problems with just what equality is.  If you
want to be a dog trainer Val I say nothing should stop you from
accomplishing that goal.

Justin

On 8/13/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a blind O and M instructor here at CCB, and she's the best.
> This goes to show that blind O and M instructors don't have to see.  I
> have to do things differently with this lady, but she's really cool.
> I like her a lot.
> Beth
>
> On 8/13/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I actually don't think you should cut your losses on this school. To
>> do so would mean that they win and that blind people will continue to
>> be left out of their program and they will continue to have
>> discriminatory practices.
>>
>> Federal law trumps California law any day. The ADA tells us that
>> discrimination cannot be made based on a disability. Visual impairment
>> is, of course, a disability in today's society, so this is
>> discrimination based on disability. I would highly suggest contacting
>> NFB corporate headquarters for advice on how to go about suing this
>> school, because I think you should. If you don't, they will continue
>> to exclude people who have a visual impairment. The NFB is dedicated
>> to making schools, companies, and programs accessible to the blind and
>> have helped other students (such as the suing of Arizona State for
>> using an inaccessible e-text device, the Amazon Kindle). They should
>> be able to help or point you in the right direction at least.
>>
>> I would not give up on this! As others said, this is just like the
>> argument against blind O&M instructors not being able to see
>> obstacles, traffic, and the student. It is discrimintation and
>> misconceptions of the worst kind.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 8/13/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Have you contacted someone at the Guide Dogs for the Blind?  I thought
>>> they
>>> were among one of the first schools to experiment with blind instructors
>>> on
>>> their campus, but I could be wrong.  For this issue, I think going with
>>> the
>>> ACB's guide dog division would be a good idea.  I don't like directly
>>> pitting one group over the other, but I've seen some good things come out
>>> of
>>> that organization.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
>>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:17 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!
>>>
>>> If anyone hasnt' followed up on what i'm trying to do, i'll
>>> start by giving a brief intro.
>>>
>>> I'm tryingto get into a program that would allow me to become a
>>> dog trainer The school is based on California, but students can
>>> work from home with the aid of a teacher and people in the
>>> area.  I guess it's like a distance learning program.  I would
>>> not know however as they will not send me imformation or allow
>>> me to enroll inthe program as they said i do not meet their
>>> physical requirements.  That is, i do not have a vusual equity
>>> of 150 feet.
>>>
>>> I was suggested to email back and ask in what way this
>>> requirement would be needed.  Here's the email i got:
>>> Valerie,
>>> Unfortunately, ABC is unable to make exceptions to the physical
>>> requirements necessary to enter the program. They have been set
>>> by the state of California to keep you safe while you are in
>>> the program. You would be training dogs in group sessions or in
>>> a clients home and it would be imperative that you be able to
>>> see dogs approaching you that may be aggressive or confrontational.
>>> Regards,
>>> Deborah
>>>
>>> If anyone has any imformation on how i could fight this, or if
>>> i should just call it a loss, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for your responces to my last email.
>>> Look forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Val
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>>
>> --
>> ~Jewel
>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>
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