[nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 14 05:15:09 UTC 2010


The problem with forcing this school to accept you as a trainer is after you 
go threw the involved process of forcing them not to discriminate against 
you. After you do this, there is a million ways that they can make you feel 
unwelcomed. They could take the attitude that if they have to have you, they 
don't have to like you. It mite be better to find a program that is more 
enthusiastic about accepting you, go work with them, and let your actions 
speak for themselves.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!


> Hello Val annd all!
> I agree to fight this.  I also agree with contacting the NFB
> Headquarters.  I think they and the Department of Justice will show
> the school you are having problems with just what equality is.  If you
> want to be a dog trainer Val I say nothing should stop you from
> accomplishing that goal.
>
> Justin
>
> On 8/13/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a blind O and M instructor here at CCB, and she's the best.
>> This goes to show that blind O and M instructors don't have to see.  I
>> have to do things differently with this lady, but she's really cool.
>> I like her a lot.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 8/13/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I actually don't think you should cut your losses on this school. To
>>> do so would mean that they win and that blind people will continue to
>>> be left out of their program and they will continue to have
>>> discriminatory practices.
>>>
>>> Federal law trumps California law any day. The ADA tells us that
>>> discrimination cannot be made based on a disability. Visual impairment
>>> is, of course, a disability in today's society, so this is
>>> discrimination based on disability. I would highly suggest contacting
>>> NFB corporate headquarters for advice on how to go about suing this
>>> school, because I think you should. If you don't, they will continue
>>> to exclude people who have a visual impairment. The NFB is dedicated
>>> to making schools, companies, and programs accessible to the blind and
>>> have helped other students (such as the suing of Arizona State for
>>> using an inaccessible e-text device, the Amazon Kindle). They should
>>> be able to help or point you in the right direction at least.
>>>
>>> I would not give up on this! As others said, this is just like the
>>> argument against blind O&M instructors not being able to see
>>> obstacles, traffic, and the student. It is discrimintation and
>>> misconceptions of the worst kind.
>>>
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 8/13/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Have you contacted someone at the Guide Dogs for the Blind?  I thought
>>>> they
>>>> were among one of the first schools to experiment with blind 
>>>> instructors
>>>> on
>>>> their campus, but I could be wrong.  For this issue, I think going with
>>>> the
>>>> ACB's guide dog division would be a good idea.  I don't like directly
>>>> pitting one group over the other, but I've seen some good things come 
>>>> out
>>>> of
>>>> that organization.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:17 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!
>>>>
>>>> If anyone hasnt' followed up on what i'm trying to do, i'll
>>>> start by giving a brief intro.
>>>>
>>>> I'm tryingto get into a program that would allow me to become a
>>>> dog trainer The school is based on California, but students can
>>>> work from home with the aid of a teacher and people in the
>>>> area.  I guess it's like a distance learning program.  I would
>>>> not know however as they will not send me imformation or allow
>>>> me to enroll inthe program as they said i do not meet their
>>>> physical requirements.  That is, i do not have a vusual equity
>>>> of 150 feet.
>>>>
>>>> I was suggested to email back and ask in what way this
>>>> requirement would be needed.  Here's the email i got:
>>>> Valerie,
>>>> Unfortunately, ABC is unable to make exceptions to the physical
>>>> requirements necessary to enter the program. They have been set
>>>> by the state of California to keep you safe while you are in
>>>> the program. You would be training dogs in group sessions or in
>>>> a clients home and it would be imperative that you be able to
>>>> see dogs approaching you that may be aggressive or confrontational.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Deborah
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any imformation on how i could fight this, or if
>>>> i should just call it a loss, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for your responces to my last email.
>>>> Look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>
>>>> Val
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~Jewel
>>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>>
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