[nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

Sat Aug 14 23:13:37 UTC 2010

Yes this is a good idea but while going to another program fight the school 
at the same time to allow future students to go there.

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From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:15 AM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

> The problem with forcing this school to accept you as a trainer is after 
> you go threw the involved process of forcing them not to discriminate 
> against you. After you do this, there is a million ways that they can make 
> you feel unwelcomed. They could take the attitude that if they have to 
> have you, they don't have to like you. It mite be better to find a program 
> that is more enthusiastic about accepting you, go work with them, and let 
> your actions speak for themselves.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!
>
>
>> Hello Val annd all!
>> I agree to fight this.  I also agree with contacting the NFB
>> Headquarters.  I think they and the Department of Justice will show
>> the school you are having problems with just what equality is.  If you
>> want to be a dog trainer Val I say nothing should stop you from
>> accomplishing that goal.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On 8/13/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a blind O and M instructor here at CCB, and she's the best.
>>> This goes to show that blind O and M instructors don't have to see.  I
>>> have to do things differently with this lady, but she's really cool.
>>> I like her a lot.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 8/13/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I actually don't think you should cut your losses on this school. To
>>>> do so would mean that they win and that blind people will continue to
>>>> be left out of their program and they will continue to have
>>>> discriminatory practices.
>>>>
>>>> Federal law trumps California law any day. The ADA tells us that
>>>> discrimination cannot be made based on a disability. Visual impairment
>>>> is, of course, a disability in today's society, so this is
>>>> discrimination based on disability. I would highly suggest contacting
>>>> NFB corporate headquarters for advice on how to go about suing this
>>>> school, because I think you should. If you don't, they will continue
>>>> to exclude people who have a visual impairment. The NFB is dedicated
>>>> to making schools, companies, and programs accessible to the blind and
>>>> have helped other students (such as the suing of Arizona State for
>>>> using an inaccessible e-text device, the Amazon Kindle). They should
>>>> be able to help or point you in the right direction at least.
>>>>
>>>> I would not give up on this! As others said, this is just like the
>>>> argument against blind O&M instructors not being able to see
>>>> obstacles, traffic, and the student. It is discrimintation and
>>>> misconceptions of the worst kind.
>>>>
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>
>>>> On 8/13/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Have you contacted someone at the Guide Dogs for the Blind?  I thought
>>>>> they
>>>>> were among one of the first schools to experiment with blind 
>>>>> instructors
>>>>> on
>>>>> their campus, but I could be wrong.  For this issue, I think going 
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> ACB's guide dog division would be a good idea.  I don't like directly
>>>>> pitting one group over the other, but I've seen some good things come 
>>>>> out
>>>>> of
>>>>> that organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:17 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone hasnt' followed up on what i'm trying to do, i'll
>>>>> start by giving a brief intro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm tryingto get into a program that would allow me to become a
>>>>> dog trainer The school is based on California, but students can
>>>>> work from home with the aid of a teacher and people in the
>>>>> area.  I guess it's like a distance learning program.  I would
>>>>> not know however as they will not send me imformation or allow
>>>>> me to enroll inthe program as they said i do not meet their
>>>>> physical requirements.  That is, i do not have a vusual equity
>>>>> of 150 feet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was suggested to email back and ask in what way this
>>>>> requirement would be needed.  Here's the email i got:
>>>>> Valerie,
>>>>> Unfortunately, ABC is unable to make exceptions to the physical
>>>>> requirements necessary to enter the program. They have been set
>>>>> by the state of California to keep you safe while you are in
>>>>> the program. You would be training dogs in group sessions or in
>>>>> a clients home and it would be imperative that you be able to
>>>>> see dogs approaching you that may be aggressive or confrontational.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Deborah
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has any imformation on how i could fight this, or if
>>>>> i should just call it a loss, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for your responces to my last email.
>>>>> Look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Val
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>>>
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