[nabs-l] need help

Sun Jul 18 19:51:19 UTC 2010

I could not agree with you more Marc. By the way are you the same Marc who I met at the convention and I was suppose to call for some personal safety training? If so I am sorry but the convention was just so busy I really did notfind the time to train for some good quality time but it would still benefit me to get some training and if you know of any any trainers in the Little Rock and do not mind sharing I would really appreciate it.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller

--- On Sun, 7/18/10, Marc Workman <mworkman.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Marc Workman <mworkman.lists at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com, "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 2:20 PM
> Joe said,
> I don't understand why people insist on identifying
> universities that are
> friendly to people with disabilities.  Forgive what
> may come across as a
> blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time
> and money
> investment in higher education, they should select schools
> for their
> programs, not for the capacity of the disability service.
> 
> Marc says,
> The question was aimed at identifying ways in which
> services could be improved.  This does not imply that
> anyone would select a university based on disability
> services.  I do think, however, that it may factor in
> to ones decision in the same way city attractions,
> transportation, housing, and so on do.
> 
> Joe said,
> the bottom line is that if by college a student has not
> figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate
> testing
> environments with their professors, they ought to consider
> training at a
> center or dismiss the idea of going to college.
> 
> Marc says,
> I suppose that sighted students that don't demonstrate
> these skills should also forego a college education.
> 
> Joe said,
> After high school, education is an option, not a right.
> 
> Marc says,
> True, but receiving the same quality of education that
> others receive when paying the same costs is a right. 
> If colleges design there programs in such a way that some
> are disadvantaged or excluded all together, that is an
> injustice and should be viewed and treated as such.
> 
> I take your point, Joe: the world is not perfect, and
> receiving assistance in college can make one less able to
> cope in the job market where such assistance is not
> available.  This may be true, but it doesnt make it any
> less of an injustice that should be fought against.  If
> the above statement is true, then the solution, to me, is
> that more should be done to ensure that the job market is
> accessible.  I think the incredibly large percentage of
> unemployed and underemployed blind people supports this
> claim.
> 
> The bottom line is that, if a product, service, or
> institution, is unnecessarily designed in such a way that a
> segment of the population is disadvanteged or excluded, this
> is a problem, and steps should be taken to eliminate the
> disadvantage or exclusion.  It's not about babying
> people, or giving them special treatment, it is about
> recognizing that it is wrong for people in power to set
> things up in ways that perpetuate their dominance at the
> cost of disadvantageing and excluding others.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Marc
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help
> 
> 
> > I don't understand why people insist on identifying
> universities that are
> > friendly to people with disabilities.  Forgive
> what may come across as a
> > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large
> time and money
> > investment in higher education, they should select
> schools for their
> > programs, not for the capacity of the disability
> service.  At the Catholic
> > University of America here in DC the disability office
> didn't even know I
> > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly
> before my graduation
> > procession, and you know, I think I did alright.
> > 
> > The natural argument that people raise at this point
> is that not all
> > students are built the same.  Some students need
> more help than others.
> >> From this corner, the bottom line is that if by
> college a student has not
> > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or
> negotiate testing
> > environments with their professors, they ought to
> consider training at a
> > center or dismiss the idea of going to college. 
> After high school,
> > education is an option, not a right.  College is
> only a fraction of the rest
> > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field
> and government sector,
> > there are no special accommodation offices in the
> workplace.
> > 
> > Now, please do not misunderstand.  If a college
> offers a wide range of
> > accommodations, there is no reason why the student
> should not take advantage
> > where he or she feels it necessary.  Yet, stay in
> control of what you
> > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember
> not to become so
> > dependent on these services that you are virtually
> helpless when you begin
> > competing against your sighted peers in the job
> market.
> > 
> > Respectfully,
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some
> turn up their sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at
> all."--Sam Ewing
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Hina
> > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> > Subject: [nabs-l] need help
> > 
> > hi friends,
> > I am working on a project to help a university to make
> their
> > campus accessible and would need some feedback from
> you all.
> > please send  me some of the recommendations that
> you think a
> > university should implement for people with
> disabilities?
> > 
> > 
> > which universities are good for people with
> disabilities?
> > thanks.
> > hina.
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