[nabs-l] Capta

Danielle Montour hypoplexer at gmail.com
Thu Oct 21 04:11:12 UTC 2010


True.  I hate the captchas where you have to enter the words, 
never mind the numbers, into the edit boxes.
Those one's are the ones that are hard for me to understand.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list"<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:04:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta

I think that this conversation is very interesting.  However, 
before I say
anymore, I want to emphasize that what follows is only my 
personal opinions.



I agree that whatever security measure that is used needs to be 
accessible
all disabilities.  However, I find one fundamental flaw in the 
idea of making
captcha accessible to screen readers.  The original intent of 
captcha is to
prevent automated systems from tricking the system.  Although a 
screen reader
in and of itself cannot fill out a form, someone who really knew 
what he/she
was doing could harness this capability Rather than trying to 
figure which a
way to make captcha accessible without defeating the purpose of 
captcha, I
think that it would be better to try to find another security 
feature.



I do not think that whoever designed captcha purposefully made 
them
inaccessible.  Rather, the designer(s) was (were) simply unaware 
of such
issues.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta


 Peter,

 Let's write a resolution for it.  I'll volunteer to help write 
it with you
 and anyone else interested.

 Joe

 "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up 
their sleeves,
 some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam 
Ewing

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:35 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta

 Good afternoon everyone,

    All the more the reason to make them usable by all disabled
 individuals
 including the deaf-blind.

 Peter Donahue


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "autTeal Bloodwortho" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta


 but rather they are increasing the usage of them on frequently
 used social
 networking sites, even those that are generally blind friendly.

        -Teal
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta


 Good morning everyone,

    And if you're blind and deaf you really have a problem with 
these
 things.  Much has been done to create audio alternatives but 
nothing is
 being
 done to make these CAPTCHAs make their information available
 tactually.
 I've
 said it before and will say it again.  If we can build an 
interface to
 allow
 a blind person to drive a car independently we should be able
 to create a
 way for screen readers to read CAPTCHA information and
 reproduce it both
 audibly and tactually so those with severe hearing
 impairments can have
 full
 access to Web sites where these things are used.  In light of
 our work with
 Virginia Tech the excuse that the technology to accomplish this 
isn't
 there
 doesn't wash with me.  The same is also true of the blind
 driver interface
 but we're moving full speed ahead on that one.  We should be
 doing the same
 with improving the usability of CAPTCHAS.

 Peter Donahue


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta


 It is really annoying.  The idea is that a computer cannot
 hack it because
 the print is not recognizable by OCR and the speech is to
 unintelligible
 to
 be recognized.  It seems to work fine for sighted people; I
 think that the
 most tries that a sighted person ever had to do on it was 3, but 
I
 couldn't
 understand the speech if I listened to it 1000000 times.  There 
is
 discussion
 about alternative methods of security, such as writing out a
 question that
 only has one answer but that a computer would not be able to
 understand.
 For
 example:
 what is 1+1
 and
 what is one plus one
 mean the same thing to a human and would result in
 2
 or two
 but a computer probably has less of a chance of understanding
 the writing
 than it would understanding the math.

 Nicole

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Rob" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com
 To: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>; "National
 Association
 of
 Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta


 Captcha is a visual utility implemented for security - to tell 
the
 difference between a human & a computer.  It is not
 accessible by screen
 readers, hence the assistance website.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:09 PM, "Ashley  Bramlett"
 <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

 What is CAPTA?  Maybe the advocacy program for your state.
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini"
 <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:11 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] Capta


 Does anyone know the information for the capta assistance 
website?

 Thanks,
 Nicole
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