[nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey

Beth thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Thu Feb 3 16:18:36 UTC 2011


I am lucky that I received little if any sex ed in school, in a 
book, from my dad.  I found out about sex, surprisingly, from men 
who explained it.  I am aware that blind people can and will live 
and love with a disability.  There's a good book, and I'm sure 
some of you know this, "Enabling Romance."  Great book.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:53:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey

Not having looked at the survey myself, I do think it's a good 
idea to
assess what blind people know about sex. This isn't to say that 
we know
squat because we're blind, or that we know more than most, but 
that we
may be at a disadvantage in our aquisition of this kind of 
knowledge
due to accessibility issues and social perceptions. LGBT youth 
have the
same kinds of issues but in a different guise. Now whether or not 
the
researchers are aware of the real reasons why a blind student may 
not
have appropriate sex ed is anyone's guess. They may, like many
researchers, be morbidly curious because they're specially 
surveying
the blind population. Even if that is true, someone from our 
research
camp could take whatever data is collected, expand on it, 
interpret it
appropriately, and put the research to good use that it may
appropriately serve to create the necessary education for our 
blind
youth that's equal to that of the sighted.

Respectfully Submitted

Original message:

 I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the 
sex lives
 of blind
 people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so screw 
your 131
 questions. This is an insult to me as a blind individual and I 
cannot for the
 life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be 
discussed.
 Angela




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    5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
    6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
    7. integration question (minh ha)
    8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
 From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com
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 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
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 You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, 
braille/large
 print supplements come with your voiced GRE.

 Cindy

 On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> 
wrote:
 Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the 
exam twice.
  In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are 
taking in
 planning for this exam.
 Thank you.


 --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> 
wrote:

 From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com
 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
 Hi Everyone,
 For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did
 you use. I prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think
 it would be helpful to have the quantitative part in
 Braille.

 Thanks,
 Martha
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 Message: 2
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
 Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 Hi all:
 Just wondering,
 how would you get certified to teach assistive technology?
 Any college courses you need to take?
 Or would you need to be certefied by each company: E.G., get 
seperate
 certifications from Freedom Scientific to teach JAWS, and from 
gMicro to teach
 Window Eyes, etc?

 Thanks,

 Jorge



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 Message: 3
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
 From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex 
Knowledge
     Survey
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 Hi all,



 I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.



 Liz


 We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
determine the
 level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely 
visually
 disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being 
invited to
 participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you 
are blind or
 severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for 
participation
 in the study which are described below. After reading the 
information, if
 you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen 
Kapperman an
 e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include 
your name,
 age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level 
of visual
 disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your 
telephone
 number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, 
indicate that
 in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor 
Kapperman will
 forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will 
make contact
 with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  
If you are
 male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are 
female, he
 will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the 
interview,
 we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation. Please
 read the description of the research study below.
 And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets 
the
 requirements for participation and whom you think may be 
interested in being
 included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals 
to
 participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  
Thus, you can
 help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.

 Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
 With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate 
in a
 research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge 
which blind and
 visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. 
That is, we
 are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test 
are written
 properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and 
giving us your
 answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no 
one except
 the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No 
one outside of
 the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to 
indicate
 whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual 
acuity. We
 will record all of that information including your name and 
address, but
 please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we 
intend to
 delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the 
future will be
 able to tell who participated.

 The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  
tell the
 interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not 
want you to
 guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to 
the
 interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do 
not
 understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  
When you are
 done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation for
 your willingness to  be interviewed.

 The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in 
order that
 we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
adolescents and
 young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then 
we can't
 trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a 
trial run.
 We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  
participants to help
 us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be 
thrown out
 or rewritten.

 We want you to understand that you are not forced to  
participate in this
 study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
bad will
 happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
finish it, that
 is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the 
interview, then we
 will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be 
interviewed or not
 to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.

 If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are 
invited to
 contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be 
reached by
 e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him 
by telephone
 at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.

 Please be sure to read the following statement.
 By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman 
an e-mail
 indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact 
that I have
 read the statement above and that I understand the  
ramifications of my
 participation in the study.

 Thank you very  much.
 Sincerely,
 Gaylen Kapperman
 Professor and Coordinator
 Visual Disabilities Program
 Department of Teaching and Learning
 Northern Illinois University
 DeKalb, IL 60115
 815-753-8453
 gkapperman at niu.edu





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 Message: 4
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
 From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
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 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian



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 Message: 5
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
 Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this 
particular Science
 field,
 but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.

 That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can 
always ask them.




 On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian

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 Message: 6
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
 Message-ID: <575A050E-0569-4393-A9A8-BFB7F2650D76 at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 Hi all:
 Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver 
Challenge Rally
 and launch last weekend.

 If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for 
my technology
 show?


 Please let me know.


 If you'd rather not do it in audio,
 we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on 
our blog.




 Jorge



 ------------------------------

 Message: 7
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
 From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com
 To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
 Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
 Message-ID:
     
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 Hii,

 I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle 
Approximation
 Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was
 wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any 
programs to
 attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and 
my
 teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their 
calculators
 so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles 
and
 trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out 
problems
 that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing 
rectangles
 out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of 
time
 and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing 
Calculator, but
 I don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of 
AGC?s
 capabilities, so maybe it does?
 Also, we are doing sigma notation which looks extremely weird in
 Braille. Is there anyway to write it correctly in Microsoft word 
using
 Greek letters? Could the Braille note have a way to write this
 notation as well?

 Thanks so much for your help

 Minh


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 Message: 8
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
 From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
 Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net
 Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

 Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at 
the U of
 Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have 
taken at least
 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy 
and
 physiology which includes labs, and am currently in 
biochemistry.  Until
 biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at 
which I was
 the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So, that 
being said,
 the first thing to do is ask them to find you a laboratory 
assistant who has
 previously taken the course.  They can use work study to pay 
this person.
 With this assistant, you will need to give them explicit 
instructions as to
 what you want them to do, and they will perform the task for 
you.  For
 example, if you want them to calibrate the spectrometer to a 
specific
 setting, you instruct the to do so.  Then you would instruct 
them to prepare
 the sample just so, then read you the results, which you are 
responsible for
 recording and interpreting.  Having someone who has previously 
taken the
 course as your lab assistant will help because they will know 
what
 information is pertinent and what is not.
 I would also suggest forming a close and snuggly relationship 
with your
 professor and lab technician, who can be very valuable assets.
 I am more than happy to be of any assistance that I can, I am a 
science
 nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if you have further 
questions.  Please
 though, take full advantage of this opportunity, I love it when 
the visually
 impaired take courses that raise other's eyebrows.
 Warmly,
 Melissa
 Melissa Riley
 jamandgab at izoom.net
 riley365 at umn.edu

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Jorge Paez
 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs

 I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this 
particular
 Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask 
for a reader.

 That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can 
always ask them.




 On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian

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 Message: 9
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
 From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
 To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: items for sale
 Message-ID: <auto-000188878903 at mailfront2.g2host.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed





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    * Braille Sense Plus B32, in good condition

 Comes with carrying case and charger

 Asking $4,000 or best offer
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 running Keysoft 7.2Comes with carrying case and charger

 Asking $2,000 or best offer
    * BrailleNote QT 32

 Several cells of display need some repairs

 Running Keysoft 5.1

 Asking $100



 To make an offer, or for any questions, please contact Steve 
Decker at:

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 Phone:  612-655-1372


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 Message: 10
 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
 From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex 
Knowledge
     Survey
 Message-ID:
     
<AANLkTik5xygk8vjgsENib1v_bzsL5zM0120soRvZ7EaG at mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the 
limited
 age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question 
that.
 They should include younger and older students to get an idea of 
when
 students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds 
will
 not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....

 On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
 Hi all,



 I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.



 Liz


 We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
determine the
 level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely 
visually
 disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being 
invited to
 participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you 
are blind or
 severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for 
participation
 in the study which are described below. After reading the 
information, if
 you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen 
Kapperman an
 e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include 
your name,
 age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level 
of visual
 disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your 
telephone
 number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, 
indicate that
 in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor 
Kapperman will
 forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will 
make contact
 with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  
If you are
 male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are 
female, he
 will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the 
interview,
 we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation. Please
 read the description of the research study below.
 And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets 
the
 requirements for participation and whom you think may be 
interested in being
 included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals 
to
 participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  
Thus, you can
 help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.

 Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
 With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate 
in a
 research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge 
which blind and
 visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. 
That is, we
 are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test 
are written
 properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and 
giving us your
 answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no 
one except
 the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No 
one outside of
 the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to 
indicate
 whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual 
acuity. We
 will record all of that information including your name and 
address, but
 please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we 
intend to
 delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the 
future will be
 able to tell who participated.

 The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  
tell the
 interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not 
want you to
 guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to 
the
 interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do 
not
 understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  
When you are
 done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation for
 your willingness to  be interviewed.

 The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in 
order that
 we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
adolescents and
 young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then 
we can't
 trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a 
trial run.
 We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  
participants to help
 us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be 
thrown out
 or rewritten.

 We want you to understand that you are not forced to  
participate in this
 study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
bad will
 happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
finish it, that
 is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the 
interview, then we
 will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be 
interviewed or not
 to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.

 If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are 
invited to
 contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be 
reached by
 e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him 
by telephone
 at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.

 Please be sure to read the following statement.
 By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman 
an e-mail
 indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact 
that I have
 read the statement above and that I understand the  
ramifications of my
 participation in the study.

 Thank you very  much.
 Sincerely,
 Gaylen Kapperman
 Professor and Coordinator
 Visual Disabilities Program
 Department of Teaching and Learning
 Northern Illinois University
 DeKalb, IL 60115
 815-753-8453
 gkapperman at niu.edu





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