[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jun 13 20:37:54 UTC 2011
Who referenced that letter from Dr. Maurer saying to someone who
had some questions about NFB philosophy and whether they should
join that he would "rather have you join ACB than join nothing?"
Mike, I think that was you. Couldn't the same thing go here? We
can't isolate ourselves from opposing viewpoints, then say that
we don't like those viewpoints. There's no basis for our
disagreement... or theirs if they don't hear our viewpoint.
Chris
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--- Sent from my BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:26:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
And--is not the NFB Braille Monitor a copyrighted property?
Yet we encourage distributing it.
I'm sure neither the NFB or ACB would have a problem with either
being distributed for free would they?
Or, and I say this with respect to everyone involved, is it just
"not good" for the leadership if we hear the ACB's side?
On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
David,
I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication
of
the American Council of the Blind, so there might be
legal/ethical
issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels. But
I am
slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
circulating an issue of the braille Monitor describing the
split in
terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this
list?"
Sincerely,
Kirt
On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
David:
With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
opposing view
is he?
Is he telling us to join the ACB?
No, and I take that as harmless.
Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be
brought up by
future leaders anyway?
Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of
the
organization, but what we stand fore because as the world
evolves, so must
our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
say we will
follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
our aim--and
we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
principles of
blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
and are we not
open to discussion on this?
Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
is a hidden
threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
Jorge
On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Chris:
While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is
inappropriate,
and not in step with the purpose of this list. This is not a
debating
society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille
Forum. This
list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding
of the
ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
David Andrews, List Owner
At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
Hmm... that's interesting. Well, I went out of my comfort zone
a little
and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum
(ACB's
magazine) by email. I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
Although
a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in
Reno,
please especially take time to read the President's Message
column from
Mitch Pomerantz. You'll see there what he says about the NFB
and Dr.
TenBroek and Dr.
Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the
United
States. What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot
too much?
Oh heck... another little debate won't hurt. * Smile!
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