[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Tue Jun 14 20:07:24 UTC 2011


I attached it in BRF, TXT, and Microsoft Word.  The Forum 
originally came to me as the email itself rather than an 
attachment to it.  Maybe it's because when I copied and pasted 
it, it came out as computer Braille.  If you have a notetaker, 
you could probably open the BRF file no problem.  Just scan and 
download onto a thumb drive and import it onto the notetaker.  
Let me know if that works!

 Chris

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--- Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:30:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Certainly.
Also: the document will work, but only in its original brf form.


On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Jedi wrote:

 David,

 I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split 
might actually be appropriate for this list.  Yes, our list's 
mission is to talk about student issues.  At the same time, it is 
also understood that the student organization represents future 
leadership.  We also talk about philosophical issues that may or 
may not have anything to do with student status exactly.  A 
discussion on the organizational split is a useful education.  
How can future leaders learn how to lead the organization if 
there isn't much education on where we've been? I'm not 
suggesting that no education is currently present, i'm only 
suggesting that this list is a great venue for seasoned 
Federationists to explore our history with newcomers and future 
leaders.

 I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached 
(I got a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a 
similar article from the Federation's viewpoint With that said, 
readers can see both sides.  If the discussion has enough 
interest, we could move it off list to a conference call so as 
not to clutter the space with too many messages.  During such a 
call, NFB leaders and historians could answer any questions posed 
to them by the student body while shairing their unique 
perspectives as individuals who either lived during the split or 
lived during the early years after the split.

 What do you think about this possibility?

 Respectfully,
 Jedi

 Original message:
 I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the 
topics
 for which it was intended.  And ...  the history was that people 
broke
 away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because 
they
 disagreed with the way things were done by us.

 Dave

 At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:


 Hi,

 We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a 
beef
 between the consumer organizations.
 There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
 Car:
 David,
  I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication 
of
 the American Council of the Blind, so there might be 
legal/ethical
 issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But 
I am
 slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
 circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the 
split in
 terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this 
list?"
  Sincerely,
 Kirt

 On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 David:
 With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?

 After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
 opposing view
 is he?
 Is he telling us to join the ACB?
 No, and I take that as harmless.

 Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be 
brought up by
 future leaders anyway?

 Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of 
the
 organization, but what we stand fore because as the world 
evolves, so must
 our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
 say we will
 follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
 our aim--and
 we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
 principles of
 blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.

 You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
 and are we not
 open to discussion on this?
 Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
 are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
 is a hidden
 threat in reading a politically contrary paper?

 I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
 but just once won't hurt anyone will it?


 Jorge


 On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:

 Chris:

 While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is 
inappropriate,
 and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a 
debating
 society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille 
Forum.  This
 list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding 
of the
 ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.

 David Andrews, List Owner



 At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
 Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
 zone a little
 and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum 
(ACB's
 magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.  
Although
 a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in 
Reno,
 please especially take time to read the President's Message 
column from
 Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB 
and Dr.
 TenBroek and Dr.
 Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the 
United
 States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot 
too much?
 Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!


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