[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Sat Jun 18 14:10:53 UTC 2011

Joshua,

I know Isaiah Wilcox is running for NABS president, as he posted 
his announcement on this list.  But  I'm glad you asked for the 
list of candidates.  In fact, I think it would do us good if 
someone posted the list of candidates * to the list, that way we 
know what we're doing when we vote.

 Chris

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
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Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:03:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

What?
Ms Silverman isn't running again?
I hope someone I know, gets elected.
I don't know very many people on here personally, but I hope the 
right
person gets the job.
Just a question, who all is running for NABS president?
Please send me the list of candidates, off list.
Thanks, Joshua

On 6/17/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 I agree, Darian.  After national convention, there will be a
 whole new board elected, including a new NABS president, as
 Arielle has already stated on this list that she will not be
 running for reelection.  So, Jorge, I would advise you to wait
 until after National Convention and propose this to the new 
board
 and the new president.  That way, you won't have to worry about
 rushing it through the process before the new board is elected.
 Best of luck! Please keep us posted on how it goes!

  Chris

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  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:13:20 -0700
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

 Hi George,

  I think you bring up some interesting points.
  in the end,  I woudl strongly advise to bring this concern
 directly
 to the board- in this case the president of  nabs;  Arielle
 Silverman.
   Her E-mail is  nabs.president at gmail.com
   best of luck!

 On 6/17/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
  article IV states:

  "There will be no proxy votes"

  However, if we have paid our dues we should be able to vote.
 Even if we
  aren't able to go to convention.

  That's why I'm proposing the amendment below, which would
 strengthen the
  underlying organization by allowing those unable to attend the
 convention to
  vote, while restricting this to only members who pay the $5
 either online
  before the vote or who have been registered in the database as
 contributing
  members.

  So the idea is that when you vote online, you're name or 
address
 or
  something would be put threw a database.  If you've paid, the
 computer will
  validate the vote, if not, it'll simply ask you to pay the $5,
 and the
  language I'm proposing would allow for such an addition to our
 system.

  On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Tina Thomas wrote:

  Hello Jorge- Can you clarify the article in the student's
 constitution
  that
  you feel violates membership rights.
  Tina

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 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
  Behalf
  Of Jorge Paez
  Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:53 AM
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

  I understand,
  which is why that particular article violates our membership
 rights.
  That is exactly what I'm trying to get fixed.

  On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Darian Smith wrote:

  George,
  in the constitution, the language states  clearly that there is
 to be
  no "proxy voting".  I have pasted the language for your review.
  "Officers and board members   shall be elected
  by a majority vote of the members of this Association present
 and
  voting.  All officers and board   members must be in school for
 one
  year following their
  election.  There shall be no proxy votes."

  As the constitution of this division, and of our national  body
  prohibits  this,  we are indeed not in violation of our
 constitution.
  The constitution odes  provide for an   amendment to be
 submitted
  for  consideration and review by the  membership.
  The text of  this provision follows:"This constitution may be
 amended
  at any regular meeting of the   Association by an affirmative
 vote of
  two-thirds of the active   members present and voting,
  provided the amendment has ben   submitted to the President in
  writing, at least one day in   advance of the regular meeting.
  "

  Marsha,
  Nothing prohibits a student from runningin an election if they
 are
  not present- in fact this has  happen before.  It's really a
 matter of
  if the people present  believe the   individual seeking an
 office
  would  end up working  out better  for the organization than 
the
  people who are  currently in the room and seeking that same
 office.

  I hope this was helpful,
  darian

  On 6/17/11, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
  In theory this is a good suggestion.  But lets be realistic
 here.  This
  would
  be a complicated process of tallying the votes.  If the 
students
 were to
  do
  this, the general convention would want this too.  Its sad that
 those who
  can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
 there,
  should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the
 best job
  possible.

  Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
 going to
  distinguish from those who are really not going to those who 
are
 going
  to
  convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
 person
  running.

  Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you 
can
 run,
  not
  necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
 Different
  divisions do this differently.

  Marsha

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
  Behalf
  Of Jorge Paez
  Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

  Hello all:
  I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution,
 to
  article
  IV.

  ---

  Voting

  Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present 
at
 the
  convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but
 who have
  paid
  dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
  ASSOCIATION
  OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
  these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
 legal and
  of
  good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of
 this
  organization.

  ---

  end of amendment.

  The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are
 to be a
  democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
 Nation's
  blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able
 to attend
  but
  who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and
 given the
  chance to vote in elections.  If not, we are violating our own
  constitution
  as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
 members
  who
  cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
 portion of
  the
  student membership to vote.

  Jorge
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