[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

[Jorge Paez]

Yes--my intentions are to make it *only* for members.
Something like that might actually improve the system.

Thanks for your suggestions.


On Jun 19, 2011, at 1:37 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

> Jorge,
>  You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm going
> to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up all
> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
> following.
>  We probably won't know all the candidates in the election *until*
> the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for whatever
> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.  I
> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in the
> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
> long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all the
> candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that allows
> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an official
> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond that, I
> don't think you have much of a case.
>  Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were running
> for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who aren't
> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with the
> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm not
> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that kind
> of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is, that
> makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations open
> that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
>  But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally, if
> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance at
> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make convention,
> I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast server
> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those due-paying
> members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for it?
> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't allow
> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in virtual
> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.  Am I
> making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
>  All the best,
> Kirt
> 
> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Arielle:
>> Not exactly,
>> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be able to
>> submit it before July second.
>> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in light of the
>> entire section.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>> 
>>> Jorge,
>>> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS meeting this
>>> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
>>> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
>>> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention, you
>>> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and defend
>>> it.
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> On 6/17/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
>>>> George,
>>>> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your time
>>>> with this. The organization isn't going to change this particular
>>>> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen. For the
>>>> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a federationest
>>>> and haven't been for some years now. Too many differences of opinion.
>>>> --
>>>> "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E. P. Box
>>>> Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
>>>> 
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