[nabs-l] Attending Convention

Sun Jun 19 23:50:36 UTC 2011


'Afternoon, Elizabeth,

Dig the poetry, wow!
Car At 03:29 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
>Hey! But this post is still pretty poetic isn't it?
>:)
>On Jun 19, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Elizabeth wrote:
>
> > Hmm, I am sure that is always a possibility, 
> but I have already been to Disney World, and I 
> had no such luck in finding a special someone there.
> >
> > I checked Cinderella's Castle for Prince 
> Charming, but he was not there. I scoured 
> Frontier Land, but there was no cowboy who 
> would come to my rescue. And when I toured the 
> Caribbean, the Pirates only made me walk the plank!
> >
> > So perhaps I should just stick to the 
> Imagination Station, as I am sure all of this 
> is simply a figment of my imagination!
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 4:41 PM
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students 
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Attending Convention
> >
> >> Good afternoon again everyone,
> >>
> >>   You'll need to build it. You can get help by visiting Innoventions at
> >> the EPCOT Theme Park. It along with the rest of Disney World are an
> >> imagination station.
> >>
> >> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> "Alexander Atlantic" <aaatlantic at aol.com>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> >>
> >>
> >> hey Elizabeth that sounds like a great idea.
> >> Alexander Atlantic
> >> aaatlantic at aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Elizabeth wrote:
> >>
> >>> Peter,
> >>>
> >>> Not trying to change the subject or anything, but is there any way you
> >>> could give us a few tips or some advice on how we could find ourselves in
> >>> the same situation as you? You know, going to convention, meeting a
> >>> special someone, falling in love, getting 
> married, and living life happily
> >>> ever after? It sounds like an awesome deal 
> to me, so where exactly do I go
> >>> to sign up for that convention attraction? I don't remember seeing it
> >>> listed anywhere in the agenda.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:14 PM
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Darian and everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>>  With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and deciding
> >>>> that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention. Once I
> >>>> put
> >>>> myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place. As an
> >>>> added
> >>>> bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife Mary whom
> >>>> I
> >>>> have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter,
> >>>> would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984 convention?
> >>>> Darian
> >>>> Darian
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   For that matter you could find a way to get to the convention. Do you
> >>>>> just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them in
> >>>>> person
> >>>>> and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for NABS. You
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about three
> >>>>> weeks
> >>>>> notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to go I
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll take
> >>>>> complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kirt,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
> >>>>> thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
> >>>>> problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
> >>>>> candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
> >>>>> introduction on the list.  When it gets close to the ACB
> >>>>> convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
> >>>>> a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
> >>>>> candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
> >>>>> Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
> >>>>> directly of the candidates.  In the same way, we could have a
> >>>>> NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
> >>>>> candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
> >>>>> that year.  One of our members (preferably one that isn't running
> >>>>> so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
> >>>>> beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
> >>>>> candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
> >>>>> before a political election) and then open it up to the members
> >>>>> to ask the candidates questions.  That way, this amendment could
> >>>>> work because even people who aren't going to convention are
> >>>>> prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
> >>>>> ballots.  In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
> >>>>> media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
> >>>>> too! What do you think of this idea?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> >>>>> you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
> >>>>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> >>>>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> >>>>> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jorge,
> >>>>> You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
> >>>>> going
> >>>>> to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
> >>>>> all
> >>>>> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
> >>>>> following.
> >>>>> We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
> >>>>> *until*
> >>>>> the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for
> >>>>> whatever
> >>>>> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
> >>>>> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
> >>>>> long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that
> >>>>> allows
> >>>>> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
> >>>>> official
> >>>>> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond
> >>>>> that, I
> >>>>> don't think you have much of a case.
> >>>>> Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were
> >>>>> running
> >>>>> for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who
> >>>>> aren't
> >>>>> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that
> >>>>> kind
> >>>>> of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is,
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations
> >>>>> open
> >>>>> that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
> >>>>> But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally,
> >>>>> if
> >>>>> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
> >>>>> convention,
> >>>>> I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast
> >>>>> server
> >>>>> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
> >>>>> due-paying
> >>>>> members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
> >>>>> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for
> >>>>> it?
> >>>>> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
> >>>>> allow
> >>>>> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
> >>>>> virtual
> >>>>> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
> >>>>> Am I
> >>>>> making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
> >>>>> All the best,
> >>>>> Kirt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Arielle:
> >>>>> Not exactly,
> >>>>> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be
> >>>>> able to
> >>>>> submit it before July second.
> >>>>> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
> >>>>> light of the
> >>>>> entire section.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jorge,
> >>>>> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
> >>>>> meeting this
> >>>>> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
> >>>>> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
> >>>>> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
> >>>>> defend
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>> Arielle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/17/11, Joseph C.  Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
> >>>>> George,
> >>>>> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
> >>>>> time
> >>>>> with this.  The organization isn't going to change this
> >>>>> particular
> >>>>> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
> >>>>> For the
> >>>>> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
> >>>>> federationest
> >>>>> and haven't been for some years now.  Too many differences of
> >>>>> opinion.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.  P.  Box
> >>>>> Joseph C.  Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Arielle Silverman
> >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
> >>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
> >>>>> Email:
> >>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
> >>>>> Website:
> >>>>> www.nabslink.org
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Darian Smith
> >>>>
> >>>> “My secret? See it, and stay focused on it.”
> >>>>
> >>>> — Shaquille O'Neal
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