[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

[Jorge Paez]

So if the cryptographic id isn't practical, and others aren't logical,
then what *would* you *recommend?


On Jun 19, 2011, at 11:47 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:

> The cryptographic solution I suggest?  Not practical.  Anything short of it?  Not logical.
> 
> As to the implication of passing it and what impact it would have on other divisions, the NFB as a whole, the purpose, scope, and justification for national convention…  I can only say that I think the impact would be huge and largely undesirable.  I wouldn’t vote for it, if I were voting.
> 
> As I said earlier, I would not be voting even if I attended the NABS meeting because I am no longer a student and I believe the future of the student division must be shaped by those who are.  But I can’t really see other students passing it either.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 08:03:17PM -0700, Darian Smith wrote:
>> In the  end,  do you think Nabs  as a division  will pass this?
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/19/11, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Courtney, there was at least as much fraud in 2008 as the previous
>>> two presidential elections.  The reason why 2008 was not the circus
>>> the previous elections were is that Obama clearly carried by such a
>>> wide margin that the obvious fraud in the election could not have
>>> changed the outcome for either party.
>>> 
>>> The only electronic voting system I’ve seen not prone to tampering
>>> and voter integrity issues is the Automark, because it marks a paper
>>> ballot which is then counted.
>>> 
>>> If each student in the organization had a digital credential with
>>> cryptographic security issued by NABS at the time you pay dues, that
>>> credential could sign your ballot electronically.  Until you lose it
>>> in a hard drive crash, of course.  Then how do you replace it in such
>>> a way that NABS knows the replacement credential is going to you and
>>> only you?
>>> 
>>> I’ve nothing useful to add regarding the non-technical aspects, but I
>>> certainly do not dispute a thing you said about them.
>>> 
>>> Joseph
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 01:20:06PM -0500, Courtney Stover wrote:
>>>> Hi all:
>>>> 
>>>> Many of the cogent points have already been discussed here.  However,
>>>> there are a couple which I'd like to cover in greater detail.
>>>> 
>>>> As someone who attended National convention several years ago because
>>>> of the extremely hard and diligent work of my chapter President to
>>>> procure financial aid, I can vouch that what a great deal of the
>>>> membership are saying about getting some of your expenses covered in
>>>> this manner is definitely doable, especially if you begin planning in
>>>> advance.
>>>> 
>>>> As evidence of why this measure would be an absolute nightmare I
>>>> submit exhibit A: the 2000 Presidential election, and Exhibit B: the
>>>> 2004 Presidential election.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not attempting to begin a political discussion here, but due to
>>>> some voter fraud and logistics issues, those elections were a
>>>> nightmare no matter which side you were on.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't like how this amendment would discourage people from gaining
>>>> the full experience of the NFB through the communal aspects showcased
>>>> to such great effect through convention.  If all we have to do to
>>>> influence policy decisions is press a button, why would we, especially
>>>> those of us who struggle financially, attempt to find the funds for
>>>> convention.
>>>> 
>>>> In closing, there's a factor I think very few of those in favor of
>>>> this amendment are considering: stage presence.  We want people who
>>>> can not only articulately and passionately represent the NFB in
>>>> writing, but in person, too.  Extremely articulate letter writers may
>>>> become rather tongue-tied and shy in person...any of you who know me
>>>> well can vouch for the truth of that one.  So, to my mind, to make the
>>>> best possible decision, we need written platforms such as those posted
>>>> to the list over the last few days, and face to face interaction,
>>>> which we will gain at convention.
>>>> 
>>>> Courtney
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Darian Smith
>> 
>> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.”
>> 
>> — Shaquille O'Neal
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