[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Tue Jun 21 22:25:43 UTC 2011

Chris,
Dues are not collected at washington seminar though. Money is collected for 
another purpose; I think it is to cover the cost of the room or something.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:59 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

And Washington Seminar.  What about the people who attend
Washington Seminar, where people can pay dues to NABS but there
are no elections, but not national convention, where there are
elections in which people who have paid dues either at convention
or at Washington Seminar can vote? According to the NABS
constitution, anyone who has and continues to pay dues (either at
national convention or Washington Seminar) have the right to vote
in a NABS election, which only happens at national convention.
Therefore, currently, contributing members of NABS have the right
to vote at national convention.  That implies that those people
can pay dues either at national convention or at Washington
Seminar.  But, if someone is a contributing member, but can't for
some reason attend the national convention where the elections
are held, that person can't exercise the right to vote granted to
them in the NABS constitution.  That is Jorge's point.  Is this
making any kind of sense?

Chris

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----- Original Message -----
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:37:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

and yes, they do.
only people who are at convention can pay dues, so only peiople
at
convention can vote.  This is the case with just about every
affiliate
and affiliated student division I am aware of.  Besides, as
Arielle
pointed
out in another  thread, we only collect dues at national
convention

On 6/17/11, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
  Well, now that I looked at  it  and thought about it,  George's
amendment  called for  the National Federation of the Blind, not
the
National Association of Blind Students to  adopt this voting
practice.
  If this amendment is something one would like to see in our
national
constitution, it would not go  the nabs president, as the
amendment is
  no longer pertaining to nabs.  (at least not in how it was
written).
  One thing to keep in mind is that our  national convention is
one
big business meeting, as such the business of the organization
has
been and is done in person.  I believe that this should be kept
intact.  otherwise, why have a  convention to carry out
business?
   Darian

On 6/17/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Marsha,

Let's go back to absenttee ballots again.  You say that "this
would be a complicated process of tallying the votes." Well, the
local Boards of Elections would have to essentially do the same
thing with absentee ballots.  How would they know that multiple
votes aren't being added by one person? The ballots are in
hardcopy print.  How could this work for NABS? Hardcopy Braille
and large print! It seems simple to me.  And, if the whole
convention would want this, I say let them.  That is, if the
board votes in favor of the proposed amendment if said proposed
amendment were proposed to be added to the NFB constitution.

  Chris

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  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:07:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

In theory this is a good suggestion.  But lets be realistic
here.
This would
be a complicated process of tallying the votes.  If the students
were to do
this, the general convention would want this too.  Its sad that
those who
can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
there,
should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the
best job
possible.

Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
going to
distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are
going to
convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
person
running.

Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can
run, not
necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
Different
divisions do this differently.

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Hello all:
I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution,
to
article
IV.

---

Voting

Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at
the
convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but
who
have paid
dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION
OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
legal and of
good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of
this
organization.

---

end of amendment.

The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are
to be a
democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
Nation's
blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able
to
attend but
who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and
given the
chance to vote in elections.  If not, we are violating our own
constitution
as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
members who
cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
portion of the
student membership to vote.

Jorge
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