[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Kirt Manwaring kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 04:04:45 UTC 2011


Carly,
  Your messages aren't coming through on my end.  Gmail is clipping
them, and it won't let me read them even when I try to "view the
entire message."
  Best,
Kirt

On 6/22/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'm no blindness historian or activist particularly, but I seem to be
> aware of the US mint approaching the consumer group with the clearest
> most insistant voice about 10 years ago and that voice happened to
> belong to the Federation. So, it may be inaccurate to say that this
> issue was never bbroached within the dialogue that is blindness
> issues.:11 PM 6/22/2011, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>   Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know either.
>>That's why this is such a problem.  If we were a smaller country, or
>>if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
>>easier..
>>
>>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> > What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
>> > We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
>> > Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
>> > The Braille, though isn't the answer.
>> > I don't know what else to do.
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >
>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Kirt,
>> >> You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better solution! Lets
>> >> make
>> >> the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have to find
>> >> a
>> >> friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we stress
>> >> independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have or
>> >> dependenting on technology to identify your money is not independence.
>> >> The
>> >> folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
>> >> Anmol
>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>> >> Perhaps
>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>> >> breeze
>> >> among flowers.
>> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>> >>> Ride
>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
>> >>> Joshua,
>> >>>   Valid points.  I've got a solution for you that
>> >>> doesn't cost a
>> >>> thing.  Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
>> >>> what your bills are
>> >>> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
>> >>> in the
>> >>> future.  Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
>> >>> to fit in to
>> >>> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
>> >>>   BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display?  Not
>> >>> ideal maybe but, hey,
>> >>> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
>> >>> something with
>> >>> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
>> >>> cell.  I used a
>> >>> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
>> >>> for my first
>> >>> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
>> >>>   Best,
>> >>> Kirt
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > This is what Allan Ramos told me.
>> >>> > He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
>> >>> > He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
>> >>> Blind,) (not to
>> >>> > be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
>> >>> > I'm going on what he said.
>> >>> > Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
>> >>> Jackson.
>> >>> > Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
>> >>> book, "Growth."
>> >>> > I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
>> >>> but we don't have
>> >>> > such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
>> >>> town.
>> >>> > It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
>> >>> to push the
>> >>> > companies that make accessible technologies, to make
>> >>> their technology
>> >>> > affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
>> >>> > That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
>> >>> (for example.)
>> >>> > They will make this car, but they have to charge an
>> >>> obseen amount of
>> >>> > money, for it.
>> >>> > I'm not going to be able to afford it.
>> >>> > I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
>> >>> display, and my
>> >>> > state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
>> >>> > I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
>> >>> the IBill costs $100.
>> >>> > The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
>> >>> as small as a
>> >>> > giga-pet.
>> >>> > I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
>> >>> > Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
>> >>> > Make it affordable!
>> >>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> Josh,
>> >>> >> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
>> >>> not realistic. Can you
>> >>> >> see
>> >>> >> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
>> >>> currency has been and will
>> >>> >> always be a fabric of this country as it is in
>> >>> every country. Which
>> >>> >> country
>> >>> >> has only coins and know paper currency?
>> >>> >> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
>> >>> correct me, but I do not
>> >>> >> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
>> >>> From my understanding
>> >>> >> they
>> >>> >> have been advocating a form of paper currency
>> >>> which is accessible  and
>> >>> >> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
>> >>> afordable means to make paper
>> >>> >> currency accessible.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Anmol
>> >>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>> >>> never make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>> >>> is vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >> among flowers.
>> >>> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> Threw Our Eyes interview,
>> >>> >>> Ride
>> >>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
>> >>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> >>> mailing list"
>> >>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
>> >>> >>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
>> >>> >>> accessible currency.
>> >>> >>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
>> >>> >>> That isn't going to work.
>> >>> >>> I have the answer to the problem.
>> >>> >>> First of all, it's political.
>> >>> >>> I'm tired of people saying that the
>> >>> conservatives aren't on
>> >>> >>> the side
>> >>> >>> of the blind.
>> >>> >>> When it comes to currency, they are.
>> >>> >>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
>> >>> the gold
>> >>> >>> standard?
>> >>> >>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
>> >>> >>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
>> >>> >>> We can't do this with paper currency.
>> >>> >>> That solves the problems with our currency.
>> >>> >>> This would help everyone, including us.
>> >>> >>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
>> >>> >>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
>> >>> >>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
>> >>> people,) We can
>> >>> >>> identify
>> >>> >>> coins by their texture.
>> >>> >>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
>> >>> >>> Yes, but is it worth it?
>> >>> >>> Yes!
>> >>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> > Jessica,
>> >>> >>> > Good point. In addition, I would much
>> >>> rather a blind
>> >>> >>> person to feel mobil
>> >>> >>> > even if they don't have good mobility
>> >>> skills and
>> >>> >>> frankly I would rather have
>> >>> >>> > audible street lights then to see a blind
>> >>> person get
>> >>> >>> killed because they
>> >>> >>> > could not figure out how the traffic
>> >>> goes.
>> >>> >>> > Anmol
>> >>> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and
>> >>> they never
>> >>> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at
>> >>> times; but it is
>> >>> >>> vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >>> > among flowers.
>> >>> >>> > Hellen Keller
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >>> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >>> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence,
>> >>> Wed. June 22,
>> >>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind
>> >>> Students
>> >>> >>> mailing list"
>> >>> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
>> >>> PM
>> >>> >>> >> There are certain types of
>> >>> >>> >> intersections where no matter how
>> >>> long you stand
>> >>> >>> there and
>> >>> >>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear
>> >>> a good cycle
>> >>> >>> so in
>> >>> >>> >> those cases I actually support aps.
>> >>> Just keep that
>> >>> >>> in mind
>> >>> >>> >> when someone talks about every
>> >>> intersection being
>> >>> >>> crossable
>> >>> >>> >> by listening to traffic.
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> > Anmol,
>> >>> >>> >> >  It's a nice thought.
>> >>> Maybe it'll
>> >>> >>> be
>> >>> >>> >> possible, some day.  Never say
>> >>> >>> >> > never, ri9ght?
>> >>> >>> >> >  But here's the
>> >>> thing.  The two
>> >>> >>> >> organizations have evolved two
>> >>> >>> >> > separate philosophies and
>> >>> mindsets.  I'm
>> >>> >>> doing
>> >>> >>> >> something really bad
>> >>> >>> >> > and generalizing.  If
>> >>> anyone who knows
>> >>> >>> more than
>> >>> >>> >> I do wants to correct
>> >>> >>> >> > me here, feel free.
>> >>> >>> >> >  The stance the ACB seems
>> >>> to take more
>> >>> >>> often than
>> >>> >>> >> not is to make the
>> >>> >>> >> > environment more accessible for
>> >>> us.
>> >>> >>> This is
>> >>> >>> >> evidenced by their
>> >>> >>> >> > support for audible street
>> >>> signals (which
>> >>> >>> make a lot
>> >>> >>> >> of sense to me,
>> >>> >>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way
>> >>> or the other
>> >>> >>> on that
>> >>> >>> >> one yet),
>> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive
>> >>> movies, the
>> >>> >>> provisions
>> >>> >>> >> in the ADA to
>> >>> >>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st
>> >>> century
>> >>> >>> communications
>> >>> >>> >> act, their
>> >>> >>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd,
>> >>> universal
>> >>> >>> design in
>> >>> >>> >> technology, etc.
>> >>> >>> >> > They also use lots of their
>> >>> resources to
>> >>> >>> fight
>> >>> >>> >> descrimination, at
>> >>> >>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
>> >>> >>> >> >  The NFB, on the other
>> >>> hand, seems to
>> >>> >>> more often
>> >>> >>> >> than not advocate us
>> >>> >>> >> > adapting to the
>> >>> environment.  This is
>> >>> >>> evidenced
>> >>> >>> >> by the strict
>> >>> >>> >> > standards of training centers,
>> >>> pushing
>> >>> >>> braille,
>> >>> >>> >> opposition to the
>> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy
>> >>> of relying on
>> >>> >>> traffic
>> >>> >>> >> rather than
>> >>> >>> >> > audible signals (which makes a
>> >>> lot of sense
>> >>> >>> to me),
>> >>> >>> >> our philosophy
>> >>> >>> >> > that with the right training and
>> >>> opportunity
>> >>> >>> we can
>> >>> >>> >> compete on an
>> >>> >>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the
>> >>> blind driver
>> >>> >>> challenge,
>> >>> >>> >> etc.  Of course
>> >>> >>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making
>> >>> changes in
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> environment (technology
>> >>> >>> >> > bill of rights, Help America
>> >>> Vote Act, and
>> >>> >>> the ADA
>> >>> >>> >> which we also
>> >>> >>> >> > supported), and the ACB does
>> >>> advocate for
>> >>> >>> quality
>> >>> >>> >> independence
>> >>> >>> >> > training/O&M.  But,
>> >>> those are the
>> >>> >>> rough
>> >>> >>> >> philosophies of the two
>> >>> >>> >> > organizations, if we're going by
>> >>> their
>> >>> >>> records.
>> >>> >>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
>> >>> >>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the
>> >>> NFB is more of
>> >>> >>> a fit
>> >>> >>> >> with my vision of
>> >>> >>> >> > blindness.  I just think
>> >>> thee two
>> >>> >>> separate
>> >>> >>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
>> >>> >>> >> > from ever uniting as one
>> >>> group...and that's
>> >>> >>> ok.
>> >>> >>> >> We all have the
>> >>> >>> >> > right, even the obligation to
>> >>> advocate for
>> >>> >>> ourselves
>> >>> >>> >> and those we
>> >>> >>> >> > represent.  The ACB does it
>> >>> their way,
>> >>> >>> we do it
>> >>> >>> >> ours.  Sometimes there
>> >>> >>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our
>> >>> philosophies
>> >>> >>> take us in
>> >>> >>> >> different
>> >>> >>> >> > directions and put us on
>> >>> opposite sides of
>> >>> >>> important
>> >>> >>> >> issues.  When our
>> >>> >>> >> > aims are the same (or similar),
>> >>> we need to
>> >>> >>> work
>> >>> >>> >> together and present a
>> >>> >>> >> > united front.  When we are
>> >>> at odds
>> >>> >>> (which we
>> >>> >>> >> often are, the two
>> >>> >>> >> > organizations really are very
>> >>> different), we
>> >>> >>> both have
>> >>> >>> >> the right to
>> >>> >>> >> > push our separate agendas and
>> >>> attempt to get
>> >>> >>> our
>> >>> >>> >> policies implimented.
>> >>> >>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we
>> >>> win, that's
>> >>> >>> >> politics.  We don't have
>> >>> >>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on
>> >>> the personal
>> >>> >>> level, we
>> >>> >>> >> can still be good
>> >>> >>> >> > friends even when our politics
>> >>> are at odds.
>> >>> >>> >> >  Just my thoughts,
>> >>> >>> >> > Kirt
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >> Kirt,
>> >>> >>> >> >> You bring some vary valid
>> >>> points, and yes
>> >>> >>> we have
>> >>> >>> >> beaten the
>> >>> >>> >> >> democrats/republicans
>> >>> analogy  to
>> >>> >>> death but
>> >>> >>> >> it keeps coming up as a
>> >>> >>> >> >> comparison, so I will just
>> >>> say one thing
>> >>> >>> about
>> >>> >>> >> this. I may have already said
>> >>> >>> >> >> this before on the list, but
>> >>> please
>> >>> >>> furgive me if
>> >>> >>> >> I have. The blind
>> >>> >>> >> >> community is a to small of a
>> >>> community to
>> >>> >>> be
>> >>> >>> >> divided on partizen lines like
>> >>> >>> >> >> democrats and republicans,
>> >>> and our
>> >>> >>> challenges are
>> >>> >>> >> to great to be divided
>> >>> >>> >> >> like democrats and
>> >>> republicans. Sure
>> >>> >>> there will be
>> >>> >>> >> differences between
>> >>> >>> >> >> members of the ACB and
>> >>> members of the NFB
>> >>> >>> on how
>> >>> >>> >> business should be
>> >>> >>> >> >> conducted, but honestly
>> >>> there differences
>> >>> >>> between
>> >>> >>> >> members of each
>> >>> >>> >> >> organization on how their
>> >>> organization
>> >>> >>> should do
>> >>> >>> >> business.
>> >>> >>> >> >> True there were disagreement
>> >>> on how
>> >>> >>> business
>> >>> >>> >> should and leadership issues
>> >>> >>> >> >> causing the split between
>> >>> the NFB and
>> >>> >>> ACB, I
>> >>> >>> >> consider the leadership issues
>> >>> >>> >> >> to be pitty differences.
>> >>> Often when one
>> >>> >>> candidate
>> >>> >>> >> loses, they and their
>> >>> >>> >> >> supporters go and form their
>> >>> on
>> >>> >>> organization or
>> >>> >>> >> chapter. This happened at my
>> >>> >>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a
>> >>> result we have
>> >>> >>> two NFB
>> >>> >>> >> chapters in a small town.
>> >>> >>> >> >> Now some may consider this
>> >>> to be a good
>> >>> >>> thing, but
>> >>> >>> >> think about how much more
>> >>> >>> >> >> we can achieve if we were
>> >>> one NFB chapter
>> >>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
>> >>> >>> >> >> fund raising and my
>> >>> volunteers for
>> >>> >>> events. In
>> >>> >>> >> addition, these types of
>> >>> >>> >> >> childish arguements causes
>> >>> many blind
>> >>> >>> people who
>> >>> >>> >> otherwise may be involved
>> >>> >>> >> >> in a blind organization to
>> >>> be a "fense
>> >>> >>> sitters".
>> >>> >>> >> Now using this analogy  to
>> >>> >>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have
>> >>> near the funds
>> >>> >>> that NFB
>> >>> >>> >> has, but they are not
>> >>> >>> >> >> poor eather. Their
>> >>> attendence is not as
>> >>> >>> large at
>> >>> >>> >> the conventions, but it is
>> >>> >>> >> >> not small eather. Think if
>> >>> both of these
>> >>> >>> >> organizations were together how
>> >>> >>> >> >> much more money we would
>> >>> have to do
>> >>> >>> policy that
>> >>> >>> >> each organization does or
>> >>> >>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
>> >>> >>> organization
>> >>> >>> >> does, and think about how much
>> >>> >>> >> >> larger the convention would
>> >>> be. We would
>> >>> >>> pack two
>> >>> >>> >> hotels full or near full.
>> >>> >>> >> >> In addition, think about how
>> >>> much venders
>> >>> >>> would be
>> >>> >>> >> giving out in prizes
>> >>> >>> >> >> because now insteading
>> >>> having to spend
>> >>> >>> money to
>> >>> >>> >> send their workers to two
>> >>> >>> >> >> convention, they will only
>> >>> have to send
>> >>> >>> their
>> >>> >>> >> workers to one convention. In
>> >>> >>> >> >> addition, most venders give
>> >>> out big
>> >>> >>> prizes at each
>> >>> >>> >> convention and if there
>> >>> >>> >> >> was only one convention,
>> >>> they can give
>> >>> >>> two
>> >>> >>> >> prizes.
>> >>> >>> >> >> However, you are right in
>> >>> that
>> >>> >>> realistically the
>> >>> >>> >> two organizations will not
>> >>> >>> >> >> merge any time soon.
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >> best wishes,
>> >>> >>> >> >> Anmol
>> >>> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my
>> >>> limitations, and
>> >>> >>> they
>> >>> >>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of
>> >>> yearning at
>> >>> >>> times; but it
>> >>> >>> >> is vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >>> >> >> among flowers.
>> >>> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
>> >>> Manwaring
>> >>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring
>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>> >>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >>> >>> >> >>> into History, Race for
>> >>> Independence,
>> >>> >>> Wed. June
>> >>> >>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> >>> To: "National
>> >>> Association of Blind
>> >>> >>> Students
>> >>> >>> >> mailing list"
>> >>> >>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21,
>> >>> 2011, 2:51
>> >>> >>> PM
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Anmol,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>   I don't
>> >>> really see a
>> >>> >>> merger
>> >>> >>> >> happening any time soon,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> nor would I
>> >>> >>> >> >>> want it to.  We've
>> >>> all beaten
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> democrat/republican
>> >>> >>> >> >>> analogy to
>> >>> >>> >> >>> death...but imagine
>> >>> Barack Obama and
>> >>> >>> Mitt
>> >>> >>> >> Romney in the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> same political
>> >>> >>> >> >>> party.  It just
>> >>> wouldn't work.
>> >>> >>> >> There are huge
>> >>> >>> >> >>> differences.  It
>> >>> >>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB
>> >>> better for
>> >>> >>> everyone, but
>> >>> >>> >> it makes the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> NFB better
>> >>> >>> >> >>> for me.  I have
>> >>> lots of respect
>> >>> >>> for my
>> >>> >>> >> friends in the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and fight for their
>> >>> agenda.
>> >>> >>> Lots of the
>> >>> >>> >> times, it's
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the same as mine.
>> >>> >>> >> >>> When it's not, we can
>> >>> talk without
>> >>> >>> being
>> >>> >>> >> jackasses to each
>> >>> >>> >> >>> other and,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the
>> >>> disagreement
>> >>> >>> actually
>> >>> >>> >> strengthens
>> >>> >>> >> >>> our
>> >>> >>> >> >>> friendship.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>   I say
>> >>> diversity is
>> >>> >>> good,
>> >>> >>> >> competition is good, we
>> >>> >>> >> >>> need a free market
>> >>> >>> >> >>> of ideas.  I
>> >>> respect ACB and the
>> >>> >>> sincere
>> >>> >>> >> people there
>> >>> >>> >> >>> trying to make
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the lives of blind
>> >>> people
>> >>> >>> better.  I
>> >>> >>> >> happen to find
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the Federation
>> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophy and method
>> >>> more meaningful
>> >>> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> me.  I want
>> >>> >>> >> >>> to understand
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the split.  From
>> >>> the little bit
>> >>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >> studying I've done,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> I don't really
>> >>> >>> >> >>> think it was petty
>> >>> personal
>> >>> >>> differences but
>> >>> >>> >> rather
>> >>> >>> >> >>> differing
>> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophies about
>> >>> methodology and
>> >>> >>> leadership
>> >>> >>> >> that drove
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
>> >>> >>> >> >>> groups to
>> >>> separate.  We can be
>> >>> >>> different
>> >>> >>> >> without being
>> >>> >>> >> >>> petty.  We can
>> >>> >>> >> >>> disagree without being
>> >>> bigots.
>> >>> >>> When our
>> >>> >>> >> two
>> >>> >>> >> >>> organizations come down
>> >>> >>> >> >>> on opposite sides of
>> >>> important
>> >>> >>> issues, as we
>> >>> >>> >> often do, we
>> >>> >>> >> >>> need not be
>> >>> >>> >> >>> arrogant or
>> >>> self-rightious because we
>> >>> >>> think
>> >>> >>> >> we're
>> >>> >>> >> >>> right.  The fact
>> >>> is,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> we disagree.  And I
>> >>> think the
>> >>> >>> >> disagreements are too
>> >>> >>> >> >>> central to our
>> >>> >>> >> >>> respective organizations
>> >>> for us to
>> >>> >>> ever become
>> >>> >>> >> one.
>> >>> >>> >> >>> But that doesn't
>> >>> >>> >> >>> mean we can't be
>> >>> friends, especially
>> >>> >>> on a
>> >>> >>> >> personal level.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>   Best,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Kirt
>> >>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
>> >>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Kirt,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> You are bringing up
>> >>> some vary
>> >>> >>> good
>> >>> >>> >> points...
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Understanding the
>> >>> history of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is
>> >>> an import part
>> >>> >>> in the
>> >>> >>> >> history in
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the blind movement and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> an important part in
>> >>> the history
>> >>> >>> of two
>> >>> >>> >> organizations.
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> my oppinion both
>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >>> bring value
>> >>> >>> >> and have
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and continue to make a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> difference for blind
>> >>> people
>> >>> >>> across America
>> >>> >>> >> on a daily
>> >>> >>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> that this split
>> >>> happened and just
>> >>> >>> maybe
>> >>> >>> >> the next
>> >>> >>> >> >>> generation of blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> individuals our
>> >>> generation or
>> >>> >>> those who
>> >>> >>> >> are younger
>> >>> >>> >> >>> then can bring the two
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> organizations
>> >>> together once
>> >>> >>> again. Now
>> >>> >>> >> this is just my
>> >>> >>> >> >>> translation and my
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> oppinion, but
>> >>> it seems to
>> >>> >>> me that
>> >>> >>> >> the NFB ACB
>> >>> >>> >> >>> split happened over
>> >>> pitty
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> differences and two
>> >>> individuals
>> >>> >>> with
>> >>> >>> >> different ideas
>> >>> >>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> seems to me that the
>> >>> hate the
>> >>> >>> two
>> >>> >>> >> organizations have
>> >>> >>> >> >>> towards each other is
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> not as strong
>> >>> amongest this
>> >>> >>> generation.
>> >>> >>> >> Infact many
>> >>> >>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are
>> >>> friends in
>> >>> >>> life and
>> >>> >>> >> attack on the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> other organization is
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>   usually not
>> >>> >>> allow on each
>> >>> >>> >> organization's mailing
>> >>> >>> >> >>> list.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right
>> >>> that ACB does
>> >>> >>> not have
>> >>> >>> >> the same
>> >>> >>> >> >>> amount of people
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> attending its'
>> >>> convention, but
>> >>> >>> their
>> >>> >>> >> attendence is not
>> >>> >>> >> >>> small eather. I would
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend
>> >>> the ACB
>> >>> >>> convention and
>> >>> >>> >> all the major
>> >>> >>> >> >>> venders who attend
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB convention
>> >>> attend the
>> >>> >>> ACB
>> >>> >>> >> convention. There
>> >>> >>> >> >>> are also quite a few
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> young people who
>> >>> attend the ACB
>> >>> >>> >> convention.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its'
>> >>> business
>> >>> >>> different then
>> >>> >>> >> NFB, but
>> >>> >>> >> >>> thats why they are a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> different
>> >>> organization. However,
>> >>> >>> this does
>> >>> >>> >> not make
>> >>> >>> >> >>> them any worse or
>> >>> better
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and
>> >>> it would be
>> >>> >>> great if
>> >>> >>> >> we keep the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> attacks on each
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> organization to as
>> >>> less as
>> >>> >>> possible.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Anmol
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> I seldom think about
>> >>> my
>> >>> >>> limitations, and
>> >>> >>> >> they never
>> >>> >>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> there is just a
>> >>> touch of yearning
>> >>> >>> at
>> >>> >>> >> times; but it is
>> >>> >>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> among flowers.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11,
>> >>> Kirt
>> >>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt
>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview,
>> >>> Ride
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> into History,
>> >>> Race for
>> >>> >>> Independence,
>> >>> >>> >> Wed. June 22,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> To: "National
>> >>> Association of
>> >>> >>> Blind
>> >>> >>> >> Students
>> >>> >>> >> >>> mailing list"
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday,
>> >>> June 21, 2011,
>> >>> >>> 12:25
>> >>> >>> >> PM
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave,
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>   How long ago
>> >>> >>> was
>> >>> >>> >> this?  Things could've
>> >>> >>> >> >>> changed
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> since you last
>> >>> went
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> if it's been a
>> >>> while, maybe?
>> >>> >>> >> And, with respect,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> this
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is a big deal
>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> a lot of
>> >>> us.  I know for
>> >>> >>> me it's
>> >>> >>> >> a lot more than
>> >>> >>> >> >>> a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "small
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> consideration",
>> >>> I like to
>> >>> >>> know the
>> >>> >>> >> past as much as
>> >>> >>> >> >>> I can
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> because it
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> shaped the here
>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> now.  I can
>> >>> >>> >> read the books
>> >>> >>> >> >>> put out
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> by each
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> organization-they probably
>> >>> >>> both have
>> >>> >>> >> lots of the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> truth
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> intermingled
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> with their
>> >>> respective
>> >>> >>> agendas.
>> >>> >>> >> But nothing
>> >>> >>> >> >>> beats
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> talking to
>> >>> people
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> who have studied
>> >>> the issues
>> >>> >>> or,
>> >>> >>> >> preferably, people
>> >>> >>> >> >>> who were
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> actually
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> there.
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>   All the
>> >>> >>> best,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Kirt
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11,
>> >>> David Andrews
>> >>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> The two
>> >>> biggest things I
>> >>> >>> noticed
>> >>> >>> >> at an ACB
>> >>> >>> >> >>> national
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> convention were
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> that the
>> >>> crowd was
>> >>> >>> considerably
>> >>> >>> >> smaller than
>> >>> >>> >> >>> that at a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- less
>> >>> exhibits etc.
>> >>> >>> too.
>> >>> >>> >> The second
>> >>> >>> >> >>> things was
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> that there were
>> >>> few
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> young
>> >>> persons -- some
>> >>> >>> but
>> >>> >>> >> noticeably not
>> >>> >>> >> >>> very
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> many.  One
>> >>> of the major
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> things that
>> >>> the ACB has
>> >>> >>> pushed in
>> >>> >>> >> the past is
>> >>> >>> >> >>> that it
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is different
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> from the
>> >>> NFB, it does
>> >>> >>> things
>> >>> >>> >> differently
>> >>> >>> >> >>> etc.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> This doesn't
>> >>> really
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> matter to
>> >>> younger people
>> >>> >>> though,
>> >>> >>> >> so they have
>> >>> >>> >> >>> little
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> reason to join,
>> >>> so
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> don't.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> You guys can
>> >>> spend lots
>> >>> >>> of time on
>> >>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> history, and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> differences if
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> you want --
>> >>> but what is
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> point.  It
>> >>> >>> >> >>> happened,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it is over with
>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> done.
>> >>> Yes we can
>> >>> >>> and should
>> >>> >>> >> learn from our
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> history, but it
>> >>> is just
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> one small
>> >>> consideration.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> Dave
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM
>> >>> 6/20/2011,
>> >>> >>> you wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>>   I do see
>> >>> >>> your
>> >>> >>> >> point.  Those
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> alive at the
>> >>> time are not,
>> >>> >>> and will
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>> probabluy never be
>> >>> >>> >> friends.  Heck,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> getting
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> them to actually
>> >>> talk in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> peace
>> >>> would be the
>> >>> >>> achievement
>> >>> >>> >> of the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> century!   if
>> >>> >>> such a
>> >>> >>> >> call were
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> to
>> >>> hypothetically
>> >>> >>> happen, how
>> >>> >>> >> could we
>> >>> >>> >> >>> keep it from
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opening old
>> >>> wounds
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> and
>> >>> stoking old
>> >>> >>> fires?
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>>   Best,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> On
>> >>> 6/20/11, Chris
>> >>> >>> Nusbaum
>> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Dave,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Our
>> >>> joint
>> >>> >>> conference call
>> >>> >>> >> isn't
>> >>> >>> >> >>> associated
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> proposition of a
>> >>> >>> change in
>> >>> >>> >> the NFB
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw.  If
>> >>> I'm setting
>> >>> >>> this
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> up,
>> >>> which it
>> >>> >>> appears I am,
>> >>> >>> >> I didn't
>> >>> >>> >> >>> even have
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the intention
>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> mentioning that
>> >>> >>> >> proposition on the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> call.  The
>> >>> call's
>> >>> >>> purpose is
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>> learn the
>> >>> >>> history of
>> >>> >>> >> the NFB/ACB,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> with a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> little emphasis
>> >>> on
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>> "civil war"
>> >>> >>> period,
>> >>> >>> >> from both
>> >>> >>> >> >>> sides so we
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> are
>> >>> informed.  I
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> also
>> >>> want this
>> >>> >>> call to
>> >>> >>> >> start a
>> >>> >>> >> >>> discussion on
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the history of
>> >>> our
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> movement and what
>> >>> >>> we can
>> >>> >>> >> learn from
>> >>> >>> >> >>> it, not
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> only as
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Federationists,
>> >>> >>> but as
>> >>> >>> >> blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>> students.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have
>> >>> found
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
>> >>> ways that we
>> >>> >>> can hold
>> >>> >>> >> the call
>> >>> >>> >> >>> without
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> making it a
>> >>> NABS
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> membership call,
>> >>> >>> if it is
>> >>> >>> >> entirely
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> necessary.
>> >>> And as to
>> >>> >>> your
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> comments about
>> >>> >>> them not
>> >>> >>> >> being our
>> >>> >>> >> >>> friends,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> then using your
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> argument, the
>> >>> >>> Republicans
>> >>> >>> >> should not
>> >>> >>> >> >>> hear the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Democrats point
>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> view
>> >>> in meetings
>> >>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >> Congress, but
>> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> parties should
>> >>> be
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> separated from
>> >>> >>> each other
>> >>> >>> >> for fear
>> >>> >>> >> >>> of their
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> own side being
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> attacked.
>> >>> >>> We can
>> >>> >>> >> keep our same
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opinions, and
>> >>> probably many
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Federationists
>> >>> >>> and Council
>> >>> >>> >> members
>> >>> >>> >> >>> who attend
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this call will.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
>> >>> is just a
>> >>> >>> way that we
>> >>> >>> >> can be
>> >>> >>> >> >>> more
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> informed when
>> >>> forming
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> these opinions.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>   Chris
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>> >>> loss of sight,
>> >>> >>> never a
>> >>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>> >>> motto)
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>> >>> just click
>> >>> >>> on this
>> >>> >>> >> link to
>> >>> >>> >> >>> their
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
>> >>> site:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>> I C.A.N.
>> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Maryland have the
>> >>> >>> ability
>> >>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
>> >>> Click
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
>> >>> this link to
>> >>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >>> >> and to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>   Sent from
>> >>> >>> >> my BrailleNote
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>   -----
>> >>> >>> >> Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> From: David
>> >>> >>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>> >>> National
>> >>> >>> Association
>> >>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>> >>> sent: Sun,
>> >>> >>> 19 Jun
>> >>> >>> >> 2011 20:39:01
>> >>> >>> >> >>> -0500
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> interview,Ride
>> >>> >>> into
>> >>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>> >>> Wed.
>> >>> >>> June
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Chris:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>> don't want to
>> >>> >>> friend
>> >>> >>> >> anyone -- but
>> >>> >>> >> >>> I think
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this is a
>> >>> terrible
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> idea!
>> >>> >>> Remember the
>> >>> >>> >> ACB split off
>> >>> >>> >> >>> from
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NFB because
>> >>> they
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> thought
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>> we were all
>> >>> >>> wrong,
>> >>> >>> >> did our
>> >>> >>> >> >>> business in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the wrong way
>> >>> etc.  I
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> am
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>> going to say
>> >>> >>> that we
>> >>> >>> >> can't learn
>> >>> >>> >> >>> anything
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> from the ACB,
>> >>> but
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>> a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> history
>> >>> >>> lesson.  I
>> >>> >>> >> was at a ACb
>> >>> >>> >> >>> National
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Convention a few
>> >>> years
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>> and heard the
>> >>> >>> NFB
>> >>> >>> >> attacked openly
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> indirectly.  These
>> >>> >>> folks
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>> our
>> >>> >>> friends.  We
>> >>> >>> >> can work
>> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly at
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> times, and
>> >>> should, and I
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> don't think we
>> >>> >>> should be
>> >>> >>> >> against
>> >>> >>> >> >>> them, for
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the sake of it,
>> >>> as
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> my
>> >>> old-timer
>> >>> >>> friends are
>> >>> >>> >> -- but a
>> >>> >>> >> >>> joint
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> conference call
>> >>> on
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> consideration of
>> >>> >>> a change
>> >>> >>> >> to a NFB
>> >>> >>> >> >>> division
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going
>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> far!
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> At
>> >>> 12:53 PM
>> >>> >>> 6/19/2011, you
>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Kirt,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>> have a friend
>> >>> >>> in the
>> >>> >>> >> Council that
>> >>> >>> >> >>> I will
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> see Monday
>> >>> night, so I
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> plan
>> >>> to give this
>> >>> >>> idea to
>> >>> >>> >> him and
>> >>> >>> >> >>> ask if he
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> knows someone in
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Council that
>> >>> >>> would be
>> >>> >>> >> knowledgeable
>> >>> >>> >> >>> enough
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> and willing to
>> >>> attend
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> this
>> >>> call on
>> >>> >>> behalf of the
>> >>> >>> >> Council
>> >>> >>> >> >>> as an
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> expert on their
>> >>> history.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Maybe it would be
>> >>> >>> better
>> >>> >>> >> if someone
>> >>> >>> >> >>> like me
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> moderated.
>> >>> Keep in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> mind
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>> I did
>> >>> >>> volunteer, but
>> >>> >>> >> I'm not
>> >>> >>> >> >>> degrading
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm
>> >>> just
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> using myself as
>> >>> >>> an example
>> >>> >>> >> here.
>> >>> >>> >> >>> I'm a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> member of the
>> >>> Federation,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> but
>> >>> I'm not a
>> >>> >>> hard-line
>> >>> >>> >> "NFB is
>> >>> >>> >> >>> good, ACB
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so
>> >>> I
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> wouldn't
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> show
>> >>> any bias to
>> >>> >>> NFB or
>> >>> >>> >> ACB.  I
>> >>> >>> >> >>> also am
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> not currently a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> contributing
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> (due-paying)
>> >>> >>> member of
>> >>> >>> >> NABS, so I'm
>> >>> >>> >> >>> not a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> course.
>> >>> >>> That way, we
>> >>> >>> >> wouldn't have
>> >>> >>> >> >>> any
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bias.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>> think it would
>> >>> >>> be easy
>> >>> >>> >> to have it
>> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended even if
>> >>> it's
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> official NABS
>> >>> >>> call.
>> >>> >>> >> If we have a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> representative
>> >>> of ACB on the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> call,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> we
>> >>> could probably
>> >>> >>> easily
>> >>> >>> >> get other
>> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call
>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> kind
>> >>> of back up
>> >>> >>> or add to
>> >>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >>> >> >>> guest
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> speaker's
>> >>> information.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Thoughts?
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Chris
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>> >>> loss of sight,
>> >>> >>> never a
>> >>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>> >>> motto)
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> you,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> just
>> >>> click on
>> >>> >>> this link to
>> >>> >>> >> their
>> >>> >>> >> >>> national Web
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> site:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>> I C.A.N.
>> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Maryland
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> have
>> >>> the ability
>> >>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> confidently say
>> >>> >>> >> >>> "I can!"
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> How? Click on
>> >>> this
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> link
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>> learn more and
>> >>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> contribute:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
>> >>> from my
>> >>> >>> BrailleNote
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> ----- Original
>> >>> >>> Message
>> >>> >>> >> -----
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> From: Kirt
>> >>> >>> Manwaring
>> >>> >>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>> >>> National
>> >>> >>> Association
>> >>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>> >>> sent: Sun,
>> >>> >>> 19 Jun
>> >>> >>> >> 2011 00:45:08
>> >>> >>> >> >>> -0600
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> interview,Ride
>> >>> >>> into
>> >>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>> >>> Wed.
>> >>> >>> June
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Carley,
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    The
>> >>> >>> two
>> >>> >>> >> organizations don't
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> really claim to
>> >>> be "friends"
>> >>> >>> as
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> such-it
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> seems like now
>> >>> >>> they just
>> >>> >>> >> mostly
>> >>> >>> >> >>> ignore each
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> other, work
>> >>> jointly
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> when
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> their agendas
>> >>> >>> converge and
>> >>> >>> >> play
>> >>> >>> >> >>> politics when
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> they
>> >>> don't.  Maybe
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> they
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> aren't enemies,
>> >>> >>> but the
>> >>> >>> >> official
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> organizations
>> >>> don't really
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> advertise
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> themselves as
>> >>> >>> friends.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> While it
>> >>> >>> >> would be great to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> have people from
>> >>> both
>> >>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> participate in a
>> >>> >>> joint
>> >>> >>> >> call, I don't
>> >>> >>> >> >>> see it
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> happening.
>> >>> Here's
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> hoping
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> though, I
>> >>> >>> guess  It's
>> >>> >>> >> certainly a
>> >>> >>> >> >>> nice
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> thought-although, if the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> call
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> were
>> >>> to have
>> >>> >>> presentations
>> >>> >>> >> from
>> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> both
>> >>> organizations, it
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> probably should
>> >>> >>> be jointly
>> >>> >>> >> moderated
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended.
>> >>> The NFB (or
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> probably even
>> >>> >>> NABS) would,
>> >>> >>> >> I'm
>> >>> >>> >> >>> betting, not
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be inclined to
>> >>> go
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> there.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> So
>> >>> maybe we'll
>> >>> >>> have better
>> >>> >>> >> luck
>> >>> >>> >> >>> going through
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> unnoficial
>> >>> channels
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> setting this up
>> >>> >>> on our
>> >>> >>> >> own?  No
>> >>> >>> >> >>> need to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> make it an
>> >>> official event
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> either the
>> >>> >>> Federation or
>> >>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Council-I think
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it's safe to
>> >>> say
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> that
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea
>> >>> was doomed
>> >>> >>> to fail
>> >>> >>> >> before it
>> >>> >>> >> >>> was brought
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> up.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Best,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Kirt
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>> >>> 6/18/11, Chris
>> >>> >>> Nusbaum
>> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> And,
>> >>> as I said
>> >>> >>> before, I
>> >>> >>> >> would be
>> >>> >>> >> >>> very
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> willing to
>> >>> moderate this
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> call.
>> >>> >>> Please keep me
>> >>> >>> >> posted!
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Chris
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>> >>> loss of sight,
>> >>> >>> never a
>> >>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>> >>> motto)
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>> >>> just click
>> >>> >>> on this
>> >>> >>> >> link to
>> >>> >>> >> >>> their
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
>> >>> site:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>> I C.A.N.
>> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Maryland have the
>> >>> >>> ability
>> >>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
>> >>> Click
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
>> >>> this link to
>> >>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >>> >> and to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Sent
>> >>> >>> from my
>> >>> >>> >> BrailleNote
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> -----
>> >>> >>> >> Original Message
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> -----
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> From: Ignasi
>> >>> >>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>> >>> National
>> >>> >>> Association
>> >>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>> >>> sent: Sat,
>> >>> >>> 18 Jun
>> >>> >>> >> 2011 18:51:04
>> >>> >>> >> >>> -0400
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> interview,Ride
>> >>> >>> into
>> >>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>> >>> Wed.
>> >>> >>> June
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
>> >>> call would
>> >>> >>> be very
>> >>> >>> >> interesting
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> indeed.
>> >>> If
>> >>> >>> representatives
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from
>> >>> both
>> >>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >>> >> are willing
>> >>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> participate, it
>> >>> can really
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> be
>> >>> productive in
>> >>> >>> many
>> >>> >>> >> ways.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>> >>> Jun 18, 2011,
>> >>> >>> at 1:46
>> >>> >>> >> PM, Carly
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Mihalakis
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Good
>> >>> >>> morning,
>> >>> >>> >> list,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    A
>> >>> >>> few days
>> >>> >>> >> ago, someone on
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NABS
>> >>> list  suggested
>> >>> >>> a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> conference
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call
>> >>> bringing
>> >>> >>> clarity to a
>> >>> >>> >> younger
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> generation.  What,
>> >>> >>> exactly, is
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>> history of
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> ideological
>> >>> >>> >> >>> parting of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ways, between
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Federation and
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> Council? Does
>> >>> >>> >> >>> anybody know
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> today, the
>> >>> history
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>> this division
>> >>> >>> or is it
>> >>> >>> >> a product
>> >>> >>> >> >>> of sheer
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> habit as is the
>> >>> case
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> with
>> >>> Republicans
>> >>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> >> Democrats? If
>> >>> >>> >> >>> such a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> entities were to
>> >>> >>> take
>> >>> >>> >> place, There
>> >>> >>> >> >>> ought to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
>> >>> representation of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> both
>> >>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >>> >> so that a
>> >>> >>> >> >>> wholistic
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> portrait of this
>> >>> issue
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> can
>> >>> be
>> >>> >>> exercised.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    and
>> >>> >>> its split
>> >>> >>> >> from the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB.  This
>> >>> seems like a
>> >>> >>> >> productive and
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> enlightening
>> >>> >>> discussion
>> >>> >>> >> but I
>> >>> >>> >> >>> wonder, if the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Federation and
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> council claim to
>> >>> >>> be
>> >>> >>> >> friends, should
>> >>> >>> >> >>> there not
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
>> >>> representation
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> from
>> >>> >>> >> both   sides,
>> >>> identifying
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> their position
>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> whereabouts
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they
>> >>> stand, in
>> >>> >>> this? At
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    ----
>> >>> >>> Original
>> >>> >>> >> Message
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ------
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> From: "Joe
>> >>> >>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (by way of
>> >>> David
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Subject:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
>> >>> >>> Our Eyes
>> >>> >>> >> interview,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Ride
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> into
>> >>> History,Race
>> >>> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> >>> Independence,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Wed.  June
>> >>> 22, 8:00 pm
>> >>> >>> EDT
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Date
>> >>> >>> sent:
>> >>> >>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Save
>> >>> >>> The
>> >>> >>> >> Date:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    On
>> >>> >>> Wednesday,
>> >>> >>> >> June 22,at
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern,
>> >>> Thru Our
>> >>> >>> Eyes host,
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Ruffalo will
>> >>> >>> >> interview
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs,
>> >>> chair of the
>> >>> >>> >> Imagination
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Fund,
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Race
>> >>> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >> Independence.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    The
>> >>> >>> interview
>> >>> >>> >> will highlight
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> current and past
>> >>> grants
>> >>> >>> awarded to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> state
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> affiliates
>> >>> >>> >> and chapters.
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    In
>> >>> >>> addition,
>> >>> >>> >> featured will
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators
>> >>> who will share
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> methods
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    to
>> >>> >>> make the
>> >>> >>> >> ask to make a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> difference in
>> >>> changing what
>> >>> >>> it means
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>> be blind.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Special
>> >>> >>> >> highlight of the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview will
>> >>> be the
>> >>> >>> announcement of
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>> 30
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> winners who
>> >>> >>> >> will have the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opportunity to
>> >>> be driven by a
>> >>> >>> blind
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> driver
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> while
>> >>> >>> >> attending
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    the
>> >>> >>> national
>> >>> >>> >> convention in
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Orlando.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Witness the
>> >>> >>> >> opportunity to
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ride into
>> >>> history!
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    To
>> >>> >>> watch and
>> >>> >>> >> listen to the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview,
>> >>> please visit the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> following:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    For
>> >>> >>> JAWS
>> >>> >>> >> users and mobile
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> phone users,
>> >>> please visit
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> following:
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> m.thruoureyes.org
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> Other options
>> >>> >>> >> to watch or
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> listen can be
>> >>> found on the
>> >>> >>> sites
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> listed above.
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    To
>> >>> >>> call in
>> >>> >>> >> with comments or
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> questions,
>> >>> please dial the
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> following:
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    1
>> >>> >>> 888 572
>> >>> >>> >> 0141
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>    Join
>> >>> >>> us to
>> >>> >>> >> Make a
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Difference!
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >> >>>
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