[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carly Mihalakis
carlymih at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 23 04:51:00 UTC 2011
Curtness,
Perhaps, that maladjustment is happening on your end because my
roommate is getting them.
At 09:04 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>Carly,
> Your messages aren't coming through on my end. Gmail is clipping
>them, and it won't let me read them even when I try to "view the
>entire message."
> Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/22/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm no blindness historian or activist particularly, but I seem to be
> > aware of the US mint approaching the consumer group with the clearest
> > most insistant voice about 10 years ago and that voice happened to
> > belong to the Federation. So, it may be inaccurate to say that this
> > issue was never bbroached within the dialogue that is blindness
> > issues.:11 PM 6/22/2011, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> >>Joshua,
> >> Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know either.
> >>That's why this is such a problem. If we were a smaller country, or
> >>if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
> >>easier..
> >>
> >>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> >> > What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
> >> > We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
> >> > Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
> >> > The Braille, though isn't the answer.
> >> > I don't know what else to do.
> >> > Blessings, Joshua
> >> >
> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> Kirt,
> >> >> You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better solution! Lets
> >> >> make
> >> >> the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have to find
> >> >> a
> >> >> friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we stress
> >> >> independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have or
> >> >> dependenting on technology to identify your money is not independence.
> >> >> The
> >> >> folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
> >> >> Anmol
> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
> >> >> Perhaps
> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
> >> >> breeze
> >> >> among flowers.
> >> >> Hellen Keller
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >> >>> Ride
> >> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
> >> >>> Joshua,
> >> >>> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that
> >> >>> doesn't cost a
> >> >>> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
> >> >>> what your bills are
> >> >>> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
> >> >>> in the
> >> >>> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
> >> >>> to fit in to
> >> >>> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> >> >>> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not
> >> >>> ideal maybe but, hey,
> >> >>> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
> >> >>> something with
> >> >>> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
> >> >>> cell. I used a
> >> >>> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
> >> >>> for my first
> >> >>> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Kirt
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> > This is what Allan Ramos told me.
> >> >>> > He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
> >> >>> > He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
> >> >>> Blind,) (not to
> >> >>> > be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
> >> >>> > I'm going on what he said.
> >> >>> > Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
> >> >>> Jackson.
> >> >>> > Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
> >> >>> book, "Growth."
> >> >>> > I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
> >> >>> but we don't have
> >> >>> > such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
> >> >>> town.
> >> >>> > It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
> >> >>> to push the
> >> >>> > companies that make accessible technologies, to make
> >> >>> their technology
> >> >>> > affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
> >> >>> > That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
> >> >>> (for example.)
> >> >>> > They will make this car, but they have to charge an
> >> >>> obseen amount of
> >> >>> > money, for it.
> >> >>> > I'm not going to be able to afford it.
> >> >>> > I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
> >> >>> display, and my
> >> >>> > state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
> >> >>> > I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
> >> >>> the IBill costs $100.
> >> >>> > The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
> >> >>> as small as a
> >> >>> > giga-pet.
> >> >>> > I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
> >> >>> > Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
> >> >>> > Make it affordable!
> >> >>> > Blessings, Joshua
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >> Josh,
> >> >>> >> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
> >> >>> not realistic. Can you
> >> >>> >> see
> >> >>> >> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
> >> >>> currency has been and will
> >> >>> >> always be a fabric of this country as it is in
> >> >>> every country. Which
> >> >>> >> country
> >> >>> >> has only coins and know paper currency?
> >> >>> >> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
> >> >>> correct me, but I do not
> >> >>> >> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
> >> >>> From my understanding
> >> >>> >> they
> >> >>> >> have been advocating a form of paper currency
> >> >>> which is accessible and
> >> >>> >> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
> >> >>> afordable means to make paper
> >> >>> >> currency accessible.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Anmol
> >> >>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> >> >>> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
> >> >>> is vague, like a breeze
> >> >>> >> among flowers.
> >> >>> >> Hellen Keller
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>> Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >> >>> >>> Ride
> >> >>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> >> >>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> >> >>> mailing list"
> >> >>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> >> >>> >>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> >> >>> >>> accessible currency.
> >> >>> >>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> >> >>> >>> That isn't going to work.
> >> >>> >>> I have the answer to the problem.
> >> >>> >>> First of all, it's political.
> >> >>> >>> I'm tired of people saying that the
> >> >>> conservatives aren't on
> >> >>> >>> the side
> >> >>> >>> of the blind.
> >> >>> >>> When it comes to currency, they are.
> >> >>> >>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
> >> >>> the gold
> >> >>> >>> standard?
> >> >>> >>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
> >> >>> >>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> >> >>> >>> We can't do this with paper currency.
> >> >>> >>> That solves the problems with our currency.
> >> >>> >>> This would help everyone, including us.
> >> >>> >>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> >> >>> >>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
> >> >>> >>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
> >> >>> people,) We can
> >> >>> >>> identify
> >> >>> >>> coins by their texture.
> >> >>> >>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> >> >>> >>> Yes, but is it worth it?
> >> >>> >>> Yes!
> >> >>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> > Jessica,
> >> >>> >>> > Good point. In addition, I would much
> >> >>> rather a blind
> >> >>> >>> person to feel mobil
> >> >>> >>> > even if they don't have good mobility
> >> >>> skills and
> >> >>> >>> frankly I would rather have
> >> >>> >>> > audible street lights then to see a blind
> >> >>> person get
> >> >>> >>> killed because they
> >> >>> >>> > could not figure out how the traffic
> >> >>> goes.
> >> >>> >>> > Anmol
> >> >>> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and
> >> >>> they never
> >> >>> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >>> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at
> >> >>> times; but it is
> >> >>> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >> >>> >>> > among flowers.
> >> >>> >>> > Hellen Keller
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> >> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> >>> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >>> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence,
> >> >>> Wed. June 22,
> >> >>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> >> >>> Students
> >> >>> >>> mailing list"
> >> >>> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
> >> >>> PM
> >> >>> >>> >> There are certain types of
> >> >>> >>> >> intersections where no matter how
> >> >>> long you stand
> >> >>> >>> there and
> >> >>> >>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear
> >> >>> a good cycle
> >> >>> >>> so in
> >> >>> >>> >> those cases I actually support aps.
> >> >>> Just keep that
> >> >>> >>> in mind
> >> >>> >>> >> when someone talks about every
> >> >>> intersection being
> >> >>> >>> crossable
> >> >>> >>> >> by listening to traffic.
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
> >> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> > Anmol,
> >> >>> >>> >> > It's a nice thought.
> >> >>> Maybe it'll
> >> >>> >>> be
> >> >>> >>> >> possible, some day. Never say
> >> >>> >>> >> > never, ri9ght?
> >> >>> >>> >> > But here's the
> >> >>> thing. The two
> >> >>> >>> >> organizations have evolved two
> >> >>> >>> >> > separate philosophies and
> >> >>> mindsets. I'm
> >> >>> >>> doing
> >> >>> >>> >> something really bad
> >> >>> >>> >> > and generalizing. If
> >> >>> anyone who knows
> >> >>> >>> more than
> >> >>> >>> >> I do wants to correct
> >> >>> >>> >> > me here, feel free.
> >> >>> >>> >> > The stance the ACB seems
> >> >>> to take more
> >> >>> >>> often than
> >> >>> >>> >> not is to make the
> >> >>> >>> >> > environment more accessible for
> >> >>> us.
> >> >>> >>> This is
> >> >>> >>> >> evidenced by their
> >> >>> >>> >> > support for audible street
> >> >>> signals (which
> >> >>> >>> make a lot
> >> >>> >>> >> of sense to me,
> >> >>> >>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way
> >> >>> or the other
> >> >>> >>> on that
> >> >>> >>> >> one yet),
> >> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive
> >> >>> movies, the
> >> >>> >>> provisions
> >> >>> >>> >> in the ADA to
> >> >>> >>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st
> >> >>> century
> >> >>> >>> communications
> >> >>> >>> >> act, their
> >> >>> >>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd,
> >> >>> universal
> >> >>> >>> design in
> >> >>> >>> >> technology, etc.
> >> >>> >>> >> > They also use lots of their
> >> >>> resources to
> >> >>> >>> fight
> >> >>> >>> >> descrimination, at
> >> >>> >>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
> >> >>> >>> >> > The NFB, on the other
> >> >>> hand, seems to
> >> >>> >>> more often
> >> >>> >>> >> than not advocate us
> >> >>> >>> >> > adapting to the
> >> >>> environment. This is
> >> >>> >>> evidenced
> >> >>> >>> >> by the strict
> >> >>> >>> >> > standards of training centers,
> >> >>> pushing
> >> >>> >>> braille,
> >> >>> >>> >> opposition to the
> >> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy
> >> >>> of relying on
> >> >>> >>> traffic
> >> >>> >>> >> rather than
> >> >>> >>> >> > audible signals (which makes a
> >> >>> lot of sense
> >> >>> >>> to me),
> >> >>> >>> >> our philosophy
> >> >>> >>> >> > that with the right training and
> >> >>> opportunity
> >> >>> >>> we can
> >> >>> >>> >> compete on an
> >> >>> >>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the
> >> >>> blind driver
> >> >>> >>> challenge,
> >> >>> >>> >> etc. Of course
> >> >>> >>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making
> >> >>> changes in
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> environment (technology
> >> >>> >>> >> > bill of rights, Help America
> >> >>> Vote Act, and
> >> >>> >>> the ADA
> >> >>> >>> >> which we also
> >> >>> >>> >> > supported), and the ACB does
> >> >>> advocate for
> >> >>> >>> quality
> >> >>> >>> >> independence
> >> >>> >>> >> > training/O&M. But,
> >> >>> those are the
> >> >>> >>> rough
> >> >>> >>> >> philosophies of the two
> >> >>> >>> >> > organizations, if we're going by
> >> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> records.
> >> >>> >>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
> >> >>> >>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the
> >> >>> NFB is more of
> >> >>> >>> a fit
> >> >>> >>> >> with my vision of
> >> >>> >>> >> > blindness. I just think
> >> >>> thee two
> >> >>> >>> separate
> >> >>> >>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
> >> >>> >>> >> > from ever uniting as one
> >> >>> group...and that's
> >> >>> >>> ok.
> >> >>> >>> >> We all have the
> >> >>> >>> >> > right, even the obligation to
> >> >>> advocate for
> >> >>> >>> ourselves
> >> >>> >>> >> and those we
> >> >>> >>> >> > represent. The ACB does it
> >> >>> their way,
> >> >>> >>> we do it
> >> >>> >>> >> ours. Sometimes there
> >> >>> >>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our
> >> >>> philosophies
> >> >>> >>> take us in
> >> >>> >>> >> different
> >> >>> >>> >> > directions and put us on
> >> >>> opposite sides of
> >> >>> >>> important
> >> >>> >>> >> issues. When our
> >> >>> >>> >> > aims are the same (or similar),
> >> >>> we need to
> >> >>> >>> work
> >> >>> >>> >> together and present a
> >> >>> >>> >> > united front. When we are
> >> >>> at odds
> >> >>> >>> (which we
> >> >>> >>> >> often are, the two
> >> >>> >>> >> > organizations really are very
> >> >>> different), we
> >> >>> >>> both have
> >> >>> >>> >> the right to
> >> >>> >>> >> > push our separate agendas and
> >> >>> attempt to get
> >> >>> >>> our
> >> >>> >>> >> policies implimented.
> >> >>> >>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we
> >> >>> win, that's
> >> >>> >>> >> politics. We don't have
> >> >>> >>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on
> >> >>> the personal
> >> >>> >>> level, we
> >> >>> >>> >> can still be good
> >> >>> >>> >> > friends even when our politics
> >> >>> are at odds.
> >> >>> >>> >> > Just my thoughts,
> >> >>> >>> >> > Kirt
> >> >>> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >> Kirt,
> >> >>> >>> >> >> You bring some vary valid
> >> >>> points, and yes
> >> >>> >>> we have
> >> >>> >>> >> beaten the
> >> >>> >>> >> >> democrats/republicans
> >> >>> analogy to
> >> >>> >>> death but
> >> >>> >>> >> it keeps coming up as a
> >> >>> >>> >> >> comparison, so I will just
> >> >>> say one thing
> >> >>> >>> about
> >> >>> >>> >> this. I may have already said
> >> >>> >>> >> >> this before on the list, but
> >> >>> please
> >> >>> >>> furgive me if
> >> >>> >>> >> I have. The blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >> community is a to small of a
> >> >>> community to
> >> >>> >>> be
> >> >>> >>> >> divided on partizen lines like
> >> >>> >>> >> >> democrats and republicans,
> >> >>> and our
> >> >>> >>> challenges are
> >> >>> >>> >> to great to be divided
> >> >>> >>> >> >> like democrats and
> >> >>> republicans. Sure
> >> >>> >>> there will be
> >> >>> >>> >> differences between
> >> >>> >>> >> >> members of the ACB and
> >> >>> members of the NFB
> >> >>> >>> on how
> >> >>> >>> >> business should be
> >> >>> >>> >> >> conducted, but honestly
> >> >>> there differences
> >> >>> >>> between
> >> >>> >>> >> members of each
> >> >>> >>> >> >> organization on how their
> >> >>> organization
> >> >>> >>> should do
> >> >>> >>> >> business.
> >> >>> >>> >> >> True there were disagreement
> >> >>> on how
> >> >>> >>> business
> >> >>> >>> >> should and leadership issues
> >> >>> >>> >> >> causing the split between
> >> >>> the NFB and
> >> >>> >>> ACB, I
> >> >>> >>> >> consider the leadership issues
> >> >>> >>> >> >> to be pitty differences.
> >> >>> Often when one
> >> >>> >>> candidate
> >> >>> >>> >> loses, they and their
> >> >>> >>> >> >> supporters go and form their
> >> >>> on
> >> >>> >>> organization or
> >> >>> >>> >> chapter. This happened at my
> >> >>> >>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a
> >> >>> result we have
> >> >>> >>> two NFB
> >> >>> >>> >> chapters in a small town.
> >> >>> >>> >> >> Now some may consider this
> >> >>> to be a good
> >> >>> >>> thing, but
> >> >>> >>> >> think about how much more
> >> >>> >>> >> >> we can achieve if we were
> >> >>> one NFB chapter
> >> >>> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >> >>> >>> >> >> fund raising and my
> >> >>> volunteers for
> >> >>> >>> events. In
> >> >>> >>> >> addition, these types of
> >> >>> >>> >> >> childish arguements causes
> >> >>> many blind
> >> >>> >>> people who
> >> >>> >>> >> otherwise may be involved
> >> >>> >>> >> >> in a blind organization to
> >> >>> be a "fense
> >> >>> >>> sitters".
> >> >>> >>> >> Now using this analogy to
> >> >>> >>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have
> >> >>> near the funds
> >> >>> >>> that NFB
> >> >>> >>> >> has, but they are not
> >> >>> >>> >> >> poor eather. Their
> >> >>> attendence is not as
> >> >>> >>> large at
> >> >>> >>> >> the conventions, but it is
> >> >>> >>> >> >> not small eather. Think if
> >> >>> both of these
> >> >>> >>> >> organizations were together how
> >> >>> >>> >> >> much more money we would
> >> >>> have to do
> >> >>> >>> policy that
> >> >>> >>> >> each organization does or
> >> >>> >>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
> >> >>> >>> organization
> >> >>> >>> >> does, and think about how much
> >> >>> >>> >> >> larger the convention would
> >> >>> be. We would
> >> >>> >>> pack two
> >> >>> >>> >> hotels full or near full.
> >> >>> >>> >> >> In addition, think about how
> >> >>> much venders
> >> >>> >>> would be
> >> >>> >>> >> giving out in prizes
> >> >>> >>> >> >> because now insteading
> >> >>> having to spend
> >> >>> >>> money to
> >> >>> >>> >> send their workers to two
> >> >>> >>> >> >> convention, they will only
> >> >>> have to send
> >> >>> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> >> workers to one convention. In
> >> >>> >>> >> >> addition, most venders give
> >> >>> out big
> >> >>> >>> prizes at each
> >> >>> >>> >> convention and if there
> >> >>> >>> >> >> was only one convention,
> >> >>> they can give
> >> >>> >>> two
> >> >>> >>> >> prizes.
> >> >>> >>> >> >> However, you are right in
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> >>> realistically the
> >> >>> >>> >> two organizations will not
> >> >>> >>> >> >> merge any time soon.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> >> best wishes,
> >> >>> >>> >> >> Anmol
> >> >>> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my
> >> >>> limitations, and
> >> >>> >>> they
> >> >>> >>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >>> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of
> >> >>> yearning at
> >> >>> >>> times; but it
> >> >>> >>> >> is vague, like a breeze
> >> >>> >>> >> >> among flowers.
> >> >>> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
> >> >>> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> >> >>> Manwaring
> >> >>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring
> >> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> >>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> into History, Race for
> >> >>> Independence,
> >> >>> >>> Wed. June
> >> >>> >>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> To: "National
> >> >>> Association of Blind
> >> >>> >>> Students
> >> >>> >>> >> mailing list"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21,
> >> >>> 2011, 2:51
> >> >>> >>> PM
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Anmol,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I don't
> >> >>> really see a
> >> >>> >>> merger
> >> >>> >>> >> happening any time soon,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> nor would I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> want it to. We've
> >> >>> all beaten
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> democrat/republican
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> analogy to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> death...but imagine
> >> >>> Barack Obama and
> >> >>> >>> Mitt
> >> >>> >>> >> Romney in the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> same political
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> party. It just
> >> >>> wouldn't work.
> >> >>> >>> >> There are huge
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> differences. It
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB
> >> >>> better for
> >> >>> >>> everyone, but
> >> >>> >>> >> it makes the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> NFB better
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> for me. I have
> >> >>> lots of respect
> >> >>> >>> for my
> >> >>> >>> >> friends in the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and fight for their
> >> >>> agenda.
> >> >>> >>> Lots of the
> >> >>> >>> >> times, it's
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the same as mine.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> When it's not, we can
> >> >>> talk without
> >> >>> >>> being
> >> >>> >>> >> jackasses to each
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> other and,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the
> >> >>> disagreement
> >> >>> >>> actually
> >> >>> >>> >> strengthens
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> friendship.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I say
> >> >>> diversity is
> >> >>> >>> good,
> >> >>> >>> >> competition is good, we
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> need a free market
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> of ideas. I
> >> >>> respect ACB and the
> >> >>> >>> sincere
> >> >>> >>> >> people there
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> trying to make
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the lives of blind
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> >>> better. I
> >> >>> >>> >> happen to find
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the Federation
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophy and method
> >> >>> more meaningful
> >> >>> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> me. I want
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> to understand
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the split. From
> >> >>> the little bit
> >> >>> >>> of
> >> >>> >>> >> studying I've done,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I don't really
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> think it was petty
> >> >>> personal
> >> >>> >>> differences but
> >> >>> >>> >> rather
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> differing
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophies about
> >> >>> methodology and
> >> >>> >>> leadership
> >> >>> >>> >> that drove
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> groups to
> >> >>> separate. We can be
> >> >>> >>> different
> >> >>> >>> >> without being
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> petty. We can
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> disagree without being
> >> >>> bigots.
> >> >>> >>> When our
> >> >>> >>> >> two
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> organizations come down
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> on opposite sides of
> >> >>> important
> >> >>> >>> issues, as we
> >> >>> >>> >> often do, we
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> need not be
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> arrogant or
> >> >>> self-rightious because we
> >> >>> >>> think
> >> >>> >>> >> we're
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> right. The fact
> >> >>> is,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> we disagree. And I
> >> >>> think the
> >> >>> >>> >> disagreements are too
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> central to our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> respective organizations
> >> >>> for us to
> >> >>> >>> ever become
> >> >>> >>> >> one.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> But that doesn't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> mean we can't be
> >> >>> friends, especially
> >> >>> >>> on a
> >> >>> >>> >> personal level.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Kirt
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
> >> >>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Kirt,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> You are bringing up
> >> >>> some vary
> >> >>> >>> good
> >> >>> >>> >> points...
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Understanding the
> >> >>> history of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is
> >> >>> an import part
> >> >>> >>> in the
> >> >>> >>> >> history in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the blind movement and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> an important part in
> >> >>> the history
> >> >>> >>> of two
> >> >>> >>> >> organizations.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> my oppinion both
> >> >>> organizations
> >> >>> >>> bring value
> >> >>> >>> >> and have
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and continue to make a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> difference for blind
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> >>> across America
> >> >>> >>> >> on a daily
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> that this split
> >> >>> happened and just
> >> >>> >>> maybe
> >> >>> >>> >> the next
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> generation of blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> individuals our
> >> >>> generation or
> >> >>> >>> those who
> >> >>> >>> >> are younger
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> then can bring the two
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> organizations
> >> >>> together once
> >> >>> >>> again. Now
> >> >>> >>> >> this is just my
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> translation and my
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> oppinion, but
> >> >>> it seems to
> >> >>> >>> me that
> >> >>> >>> >> the NFB ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> split happened over
> >> >>> pitty
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> differences and two
> >> >>> individuals
> >> >>> >>> with
> >> >>> >>> >> different ideas
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> seems to me that the
> >> >>> hate the
> >> >>> >>> two
> >> >>> >>> >> organizations have
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> towards each other is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> not as strong
> >> >>> amongest this
> >> >>> >>> generation.
> >> >>> >>> >> Infact many
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are
> >> >>> friends in
> >> >>> >>> life and
> >> >>> >>> >> attack on the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> other organization is
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> usually not
> >> >>> >>> allow on each
> >> >>> >>> >> organization's mailing
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> list.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right
> >> >>> that ACB does
> >> >>> >>> not have
> >> >>> >>> >> the same
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> amount of people
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> attending its'
> >> >>> convention, but
> >> >>> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> >> attendence is not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> small eather. I would
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend
> >> >>> the ACB
> >> >>> >>> convention and
> >> >>> >>> >> all the major
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> venders who attend
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB convention
> >> >>> attend the
> >> >>> >>> ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> convention. There
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> are also quite a few
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> young people who
> >> >>> attend the ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> convention.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its'
> >> >>> business
> >> >>> >>> different then
> >> >>> >>> >> NFB, but
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> thats why they are a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> different
> >> >>> organization. However,
> >> >>> >>> this does
> >> >>> >>> >> not make
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> them any worse or
> >> >>> better
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and
> >> >>> it would be
> >> >>> >>> great if
> >> >>> >>> >> we keep the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> attacks on each
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> organization to as
> >> >>> less as
> >> >>> >>> possible.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Anmol
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> I seldom think about
> >> >>> my
> >> >>> >>> limitations, and
> >> >>> >>> >> they never
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> there is just a
> >> >>> touch of yearning
> >> >>> >>> at
> >> >>> >>> >> times; but it is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> among flowers.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11,
> >> >>> Kirt
> >> >>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt
> >> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re:
> >> >>> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview,
> >> >>> Ride
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> into History,
> >> >>> Race for
> >> >>> >>> Independence,
> >> >>> >>> >> Wed. June 22,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> To: "National
> >> >>> Association of
> >> >>> >>> Blind
> >> >>> >>> >> Students
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> mailing list"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday,
> >> >>> June 21, 2011,
> >> >>> >>> 12:25
> >> >>> >>> >> PM
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave,
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> How long ago
> >> >>> >>> was
> >> >>> >>> >> this? Things could've
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> changed
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> since you last
> >> >>> went
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> if it's been a
> >> >>> while, maybe?
> >> >>> >>> >> And, with respect,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> this
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is a big deal
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> a lot of
> >> >>> us. I know for
> >> >>> >>> me it's
> >> >>> >>> >> a lot more than
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "small
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> consideration",
> >> >>> I like to
> >> >>> >>> know the
> >> >>> >>> >> past as much as
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I can
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> because it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> shaped the here
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> now. I can
> >> >>> >>> >> read the books
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> put out
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> by each
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> organization-they probably
> >> >>> >>> both have
> >> >>> >>> >> lots of the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> truth
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> intermingled
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> with their
> >> >>> respective
> >> >>> >>> agendas.
> >> >>> >>> >> But nothing
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> beats
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> talking to
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> who have studied
> >> >>> the issues
> >> >>> >>> or,
> >> >>> >>> >> preferably, people
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> who were
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> actually
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> there.
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> All the
> >> >>> >>> best,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Kirt
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11,
> >> >>> David Andrews
> >> >>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> The two
> >> >>> biggest things I
> >> >>> >>> noticed
> >> >>> >>> >> at an ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> national
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> convention were
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> that the
> >> >>> crowd was
> >> >>> >>> considerably
> >> >>> >>> >> smaller than
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> that at a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- less
> >> >>> exhibits etc.
> >> >>> >>> too.
> >> >>> >>> >> The second
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> things was
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> that there were
> >> >>> few
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> young
> >> >>> persons -- some
> >> >>> >>> but
> >> >>> >>> >> noticeably not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> very
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> many. One
> >> >>> of the major
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> things that
> >> >>> the ACB has
> >> >>> >>> pushed in
> >> >>> >>> >> the past is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> that it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is different
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> from the
> >> >>> NFB, it does
> >> >>> >>> things
> >> >>> >>> >> differently
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> etc.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> This doesn't
> >> >>> really
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> matter to
> >> >>> younger people
> >> >>> >>> though,
> >> >>> >>> >> so they have
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> little
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> reason to join,
> >> >>> so
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> don't.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> You guys can
> >> >>> spend lots
> >> >>> >>> of time on
> >> >>> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> history, and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> differences if
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> you want --
> >> >>> but what is
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> point. It
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> happened,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it is over with
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> done.
> >> >>> Yes we can
> >> >>> >>> and should
> >> >>> >>> >> learn from our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> history, but it
> >> >>> is just
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> one small
> >> >>> consideration.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> Dave
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM
> >> >>> 6/20/2011,
> >> >>> >>> you wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> I do see
> >> >>> >>> your
> >> >>> >>> >> point. Those
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> alive at the
> >> >>> time are not,
> >> >>> >>> and will
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> probabluy never be
> >> >>> >>> >> friends. Heck,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> getting
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> them to actually
> >> >>> talk in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> peace
> >> >>> would be the
> >> >>> >>> achievement
> >> >>> >>> >> of the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> century! if
> >> >>> >>> such a
> >> >>> >>> >> call were
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> to
> >> >>> hypothetically
> >> >>> >>> happen, how
> >> >>> >>> >> could we
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> keep it from
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opening old
> >> >>> wounds
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> and
> >> >>> stoking old
> >> >>> >>> fires?
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> On
> >> >>> 6/20/11, Chris
> >> >>> >>> Nusbaum
> >> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Dave,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Our
> >> >>> joint
> >> >>> >>> conference call
> >> >>> >>> >> isn't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> associated
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> proposition of a
> >> >>> >>> change in
> >> >>> >>> >> the NFB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw. If
> >> >>> I'm setting
> >> >>> >>> this
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> up,
> >> >>> which it
> >> >>> >>> appears I am,
> >> >>> >>> >> I didn't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> even have
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the intention
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> mentioning that
> >> >>> >>> >> proposition on the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> call. The
> >> >>> call's
> >> >>> >>> purpose is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >>> learn the
> >> >>> >>> history of
> >> >>> >>> >> the NFB/ACB,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> with a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> little emphasis
> >> >>> on
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>> "civil war"
> >> >>> >>> period,
> >> >>> >>> >> from both
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> sides so we
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> are
> >> >>> informed. I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> also
> >> >>> want this
> >> >>> >>> call to
> >> >>> >>> >> start a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> discussion on
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the history of
> >> >>> our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> movement and what
> >> >>> >>> we can
> >> >>> >>> >> learn from
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> it, not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> only as
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Federationists,
> >> >>> >>> but as
> >> >>> >>> >> blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> students.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have
> >> >>> found
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
> >> >>> ways that we
> >> >>> >>> can hold
> >> >>> >>> >> the call
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> without
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> making it a
> >> >>> NABS
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> membership call,
> >> >>> >>> if it is
> >> >>> >>> >> entirely
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> necessary.
> >> >>> And as to
> >> >>> >>> your
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> comments about
> >> >>> >>> them not
> >> >>> >>> >> being our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> friends,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> then using your
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> argument, the
> >> >>> >>> Republicans
> >> >>> >>> >> should not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> hear the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Democrats point
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> view
> >> >>> in meetings
> >> >>> >>> of
> >> >>> >>> >> Congress, but
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> parties should
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> separated from
> >> >>> >>> each other
> >> >>> >>> >> for fear
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> of their
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> own side being
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> attacked.
> >> >>> >>> We can
> >> >>> >>> >> keep our same
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opinions, and
> >> >>> probably many
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Federationists
> >> >>> >>> and Council
> >> >>> >>> >> members
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> who attend
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this call will.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
> >> >>> is just a
> >> >>> >>> way that we
> >> >>> >>> >> can be
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> more
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> informed when
> >> >>> forming
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> these opinions.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >> >>> loss of sight,
> >> >>> >>> never a
> >> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >> >>> motto)
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >> >>> learn more
> >> >>> >>> about Camp
> >> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
> >> >>> just click
> >> >>> >>> on this
> >> >>> >>> >> link to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
> >> >>> site:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >> >>> I C.A.N.
> >> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Maryland have the
> >> >>> >>> ability
> >> >>> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
> >> >>> Click
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
> >> >>> this link to
> >> >>> >>> learn more
> >> >>> >>> >> and to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Sent from
> >> >>> >>> >> my BrailleNote
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> -----
> >> >>> >>> >> Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> From: David
> >> >>> >>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> Association
> >> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >> >>> sent: Sun,
> >> >>> >>> 19 Jun
> >> >>> >>> >> 2011 20:39:01
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -0500
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Subject: Re:
> >> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> interview,Ride
> >> >>> >>> into
> >> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >> >>> Wed.
> >> >>> >>> June
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Chris:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >>> don't want to
> >> >>> >>> friend
> >> >>> >>> >> anyone -- but
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I think
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this is a
> >> >>> terrible
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> idea!
> >> >>> >>> Remember the
> >> >>> >>> >> ACB split off
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> from
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NFB because
> >> >>> they
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> thought
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >> >>> we were all
> >> >>> >>> wrong,
> >> >>> >>> >> did our
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> business in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the wrong way
> >> >>> etc. I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> am
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >> >>> going to say
> >> >>> >>> that we
> >> >>> >>> >> can't learn
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> anything
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> from the ACB,
> >> >>> but
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> history
> >> >>> >>> lesson. I
> >> >>> >>> >> was at a ACb
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Convention a few
> >> >>> years
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >> >>> and heard the
> >> >>> >>> NFB
> >> >>> >>> >> attacked openly
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> indirectly. These
> >> >>> >>> folks
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> are
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >> >>> our
> >> >>> >>> friends. We
> >> >>> >>> >> can work
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly at
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> times, and
> >> >>> should, and I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> don't think we
> >> >>> >>> should be
> >> >>> >>> >> against
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> them, for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the sake of it,
> >> >>> as
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> my
> >> >>> old-timer
> >> >>> >>> friends are
> >> >>> >>> >> -- but a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> joint
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> conference call
> >> >>> on
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> consideration of
> >> >>> >>> a change
> >> >>> >>> >> to a NFB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> division
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> far!
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Dave
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> At
> >> >>> 12:53 PM
> >> >>> >>> 6/19/2011, you
> >> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Kirt,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >>> have a friend
> >> >>> >>> in the
> >> >>> >>> >> Council that
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I will
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> see Monday
> >> >>> night, so I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> plan
> >> >>> to give this
> >> >>> >>> idea to
> >> >>> >>> >> him and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ask if he
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> knows someone in
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Council that
> >> >>> >>> would be
> >> >>> >>> >> knowledgeable
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> enough
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> and willing to
> >> >>> attend
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> this
> >> >>> call on
> >> >>> >>> behalf of the
> >> >>> >>> >> Council
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> as an
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> expert on their
> >> >>> history.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Maybe it would be
> >> >>> >>> better
> >> >>> >>> >> if someone
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> like me
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> moderated.
> >> >>> Keep in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> mind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >> >>> I did
> >> >>> >>> volunteer, but
> >> >>> >>> >> I'm not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> degrading
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm
> >> >>> just
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> using myself as
> >> >>> >>> an example
> >> >>> >>> >> here.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I'm a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> member of the
> >> >>> Federation,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> but
> >> >>> I'm not a
> >> >>> >>> hard-line
> >> >>> >>> >> "NFB is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> good, ACB
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> wouldn't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> show
> >> >>> any bias to
> >> >>> >>> NFB or
> >> >>> >>> >> ACB. I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> also am
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> not currently a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> contributing
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> (due-paying)
> >> >>> >>> member of
> >> >>> >>> >> NABS, so I'm
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> not a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> course.
> >> >>> >>> That way, we
> >> >>> >>> >> wouldn't have
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> any
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bias.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >>> think it would
> >> >>> >>> be easy
> >> >>> >>> >> to have it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended even if
> >> >>> it's
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> an
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> official NABS
> >> >>> >>> call.
> >> >>> >>> >> If we have a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> representative
> >> >>> of ACB on the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> call,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> we
> >> >>> could probably
> >> >>> >>> easily
> >> >>> >>> >> get other
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> kind
> >> >>> of back up
> >> >>> >>> or add to
> >> >>> >>> >> that
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> guest
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> speaker's
> >> >>> information.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Chris
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >> >>> loss of sight,
> >> >>> >>> never a
> >> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >> >>> motto)
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >> >>> learn more
> >> >>> >>> about Camp
> >> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> you,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> just
> >> >>> click on
> >> >>> >>> this link to
> >> >>> >>> >> their
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> national Web
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> site:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >> >>> I C.A.N.
> >> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Maryland
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> have
> >> >>> the ability
> >> >>> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> confidently say
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> "I can!"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> How? Click on
> >> >>> this
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> link
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >>> learn more and
> >> >>> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> contribute:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
> >> >>> from my
> >> >>> >>> BrailleNote
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> ----- Original
> >> >>> >>> Message
> >> >>> >>> >> -----
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> From: Kirt
> >> >>> >>> Manwaring
> >> >>> >>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> Association
> >> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >> >>> sent: Sun,
> >> >>> >>> 19 Jun
> >> >>> >>> >> 2011 00:45:08
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -0600
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Subject: Re:
> >> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> interview,Ride
> >> >>> >>> into
> >> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >> >>> Wed.
> >> >>> >>> June
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Carley,
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> The
> >> >>> >>> two
> >> >>> >>> >> organizations don't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> really claim to
> >> >>> be "friends"
> >> >>> >>> as
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> such-it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> seems like now
> >> >>> >>> they just
> >> >>> >>> >> mostly
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ignore each
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> other, work
> >> >>> jointly
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> when
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> their agendas
> >> >>> >>> converge and
> >> >>> >>> >> play
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> politics when
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> they
> >> >>> don't. Maybe
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> they
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> aren't enemies,
> >> >>> >>> but the
> >> >>> >>> >> official
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> organizations
> >> >>> don't really
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> advertise
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> themselves as
> >> >>> >>> friends.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> While it
> >> >>> >>> >> would be great to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> have people from
> >> >>> both
> >> >>> >>> organizations
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> participate in a
> >> >>> >>> joint
> >> >>> >>> >> call, I don't
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> see it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> happening.
> >> >>> Here's
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> hoping
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> though, I
> >> >>> >>> guess It's
> >> >>> >>> >> certainly a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> nice
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> thought-although, if the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> call
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> were
> >> >>> to have
> >> >>> >>> presentations
> >> >>> >>> >> from
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> both
> >> >>> organizations, it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> probably should
> >> >>> >>> be jointly
> >> >>> >>> >> moderated
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended.
> >> >>> The NFB (or
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> probably even
> >> >>> >>> NABS) would,
> >> >>> >>> >> I'm
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> betting, not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be inclined to
> >> >>> go
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> there.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> So
> >> >>> maybe we'll
> >> >>> >>> have better
> >> >>> >>> >> luck
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> going through
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> unnoficial
> >> >>> channels
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> setting this up
> >> >>> >>> on our
> >> >>> >>> >> own? No
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> need to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> make it an
> >> >>> official event
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> either the
> >> >>> >>> Federation or
> >> >>> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Council-I think
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it's safe to
> >> >>> say
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea
> >> >>> was doomed
> >> >>> >>> to fail
> >> >>> >>> >> before it
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> was brought
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> up.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Best,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Kirt
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
> >> >>> 6/18/11, Chris
> >> >>> >>> Nusbaum
> >> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> And,
> >> >>> as I said
> >> >>> >>> before, I
> >> >>> >>> >> would be
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> very
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> willing to
> >> >>> moderate this
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> call.
> >> >>> >>> Please keep me
> >> >>> >>> >> posted!
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Chris
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >> >>> loss of sight,
> >> >>> >>> never a
> >> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >> >>> motto)
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >> >>> learn more
> >> >>> >>> about Camp
> >> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
> >> >>> just click
> >> >>> >>> on this
> >> >>> >>> >> link to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
> >> >>> site:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >> >>> I C.A.N.
> >> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Maryland have the
> >> >>> >>> ability
> >> >>> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
> >> >>> Click
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
> >> >>> this link to
> >> >>> >>> learn more
> >> >>> >>> >> and to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Sent
> >> >>> >>> from my
> >> >>> >>> >> BrailleNote
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> -----
> >> >>> >>> >> Original Message
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> -----
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> From: Ignasi
> >> >>> >>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> Association
> >> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >> >>> sent: Sat,
> >> >>> >>> 18 Jun
> >> >>> >>> >> 2011 18:51:04
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -0400
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Subject: Re:
> >> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> interview,Ride
> >> >>> >>> into
> >> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >> >>> Wed.
> >> >>> >>> June
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
> >> >>> call would
> >> >>> >>> be very
> >> >>> >>> >> interesting
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> indeed.
> >> >>> If
> >> >>> >>> representatives
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from
> >> >>> both
> >> >>> >>> organizations
> >> >>> >>> >> are willing
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> participate, it
> >> >>> can really
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> be
> >> >>> productive in
> >> >>> >>> many
> >> >>> >>> >> ways.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
> >> >>> Jun 18, 2011,
> >> >>> >>> at 1:46
> >> >>> >>> >> PM, Carly
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Mihalakis
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Good
> >> >>> >>> morning,
> >> >>> >>> >> list,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> A
> >> >>> >>> few days
> >> >>> >>> >> ago, someone on
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NABS
> >> >>> list suggested
> >> >>> >>> a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> conference
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call
> >> >>> bringing
> >> >>> >>> clarity to a
> >> >>> >>> >> younger
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> generation. What,
> >> >>> >>> exactly, is
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>> history of
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> ideological
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> parting of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ways, between
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Federation and
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> Council? Does
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> anybody know
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> today, the
> >> >>> history
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> of
> >> >>> this division
> >> >>> >>> or is it
> >> >>> >>> >> a product
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> of sheer
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> habit as is the
> >> >>> case
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> with
> >> >>> Republicans
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >> Democrats? If
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> such a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> entities were to
> >> >>> >>> take
> >> >>> >>> >> place, There
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ought to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
> >> >>> representation of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> both
> >> >>> >>> organizations
> >> >>> >>> >> so that a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> wholistic
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> portrait of this
> >> >>> issue
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> can
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> >>> exercised.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>> >>> its split
> >> >>> >>> >> from the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB. This
> >> >>> seems like a
> >> >>> >>> >> productive and
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> enlightening
> >> >>> >>> discussion
> >> >>> >>> >> but I
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> wonder, if the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Federation and
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> council claim to
> >> >>> >>> be
> >> >>> >>> >> friends, should
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> there not
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
> >> >>> representation
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> from
> >> >>> >>> >> both sides,
> >> >>> identifying
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> their position
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> whereabouts
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they
> >> >>> stand, in
> >> >>> >>> this? At
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> ----
> >> >>> >>> Original
> >> >>> >>> >> Message
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ------
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> From: "Joe
> >> >>> >>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (by way of
> >> >>> David
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Subject:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> >> >>> >>> Our Eyes
> >> >>> >>> >> interview,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Ride
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> into
> >> >>> History,Race
> >> >>> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Independence,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Wed. June
> >> >>> 22, 8:00 pm
> >> >>> >>> EDT
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Date
> >> >>> >>> sent:
> >> >>> >>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Save
> >> >>> >>> The
> >> >>> >>> >> Date:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> On
> >> >>> >>> Wednesday,
> >> >>> >>> >> June 22,at
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern,
> >> >>> Thru Our
> >> >>> >>> Eyes host,
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Ruffalo will
> >> >>> >>> >> interview
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs,
> >> >>> chair of the
> >> >>> >>> >> Imagination
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> Fund,
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Race
> >> >>> >>> for
> >> >>> >>> >> Independence.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> The
> >> >>> >>> interview
> >> >>> >>> >> will highlight
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> current and past
> >> >>> grants
> >> >>> >>> awarded to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> state
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> affiliates
> >> >>> >>> >> and chapters.
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> In
> >> >>> >>> addition,
> >> >>> >>> >> featured will
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators
> >> >>> who will share
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> methods
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >>> >>> make the
> >> >>> >>> >> ask to make a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> difference in
> >> >>> changing what
> >> >>> >>> it means
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >>> be blind.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Special
> >> >>> >>> >> highlight of the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview will
> >> >>> be the
> >> >>> >>> announcement of
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>> 30
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> winners who
> >> >>> >>> >> will have the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opportunity to
> >> >>> be driven by a
> >> >>> >>> blind
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> driver
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> while
> >> >>> >>> >> attending
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>> >>> national
> >> >>> >>> >> convention in
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Orlando.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Witness the
> >> >>> >>> >> opportunity to
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ride into
> >> >>> history!
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> To
> >> >>> >>> watch and
> >> >>> >>> >> listen to the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview,
> >> >>> please visit the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> following:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> For
> >> >>> >>> JAWS
> >> >>> >>> >> users and mobile
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> phone users,
> >> >>> please visit
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> following:
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> m.thruoureyes.org
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> Other options
> >> >>> >>> >> to watch or
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> listen can be
> >> >>> found on the
> >> >>> >>> sites
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> listed above.
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> To
> >> >>> >>> call in
> >> >>> >>> >> with comments or
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> questions,
> >> >>> please dial the
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> following:
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> 1
> >> >>> >>> 888 572
> >> >>> >>> >> 0141
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Join
> >> >>> >>> us to
> >> >>> >>> >> Make a
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Difference!
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>
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