[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Thu Jun 23 18:31:33 UTC 2011

Good morning, Kirt,

         'Seems to me though, that one ought to be able to determine 
shades of their own reality, which is how I understand the Federation 
wants its members, to conduct themselves, in the world. Yet, beyond 
the elaborate striations the existing system will need to experience, 
if such a change were to be made, how come the Federation 
didn't  speak up when it was asked, by the Mint last time that entity 
produced curency?
:
>Carly,
>   We all make mistakes.  No worries.
>   Now, just for the heck of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>you made earlier.  (I'm only guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>the whole message to me)  But I think you said something like this.
>"The federation is kind of hypocritical because they rap ad noseum
>about independence but are stuck relying on sighted people to help
>them-depending on another person isn't independence at all!"  If I'm
>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you saying something like that
>so it's just my guess of what you said from the little bit gmail was
>able to read me.
>   Here's the thing about that.  Independence does not mean do
>everything by yourself all the time.  It simply means you can do what
>you want to, when you want to do it, in a way that's efficient and
>works for you.  It means, basically, that you aren't subject to
>another person's vision of your life, you do things the way you wish
>to do them.  It also means you do this without really making anyone
>else go much out of their way to help you.
>   So think of it this way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>most of those will be honest, almost all will be honest with other
>people watching.  If you ask that person "hey, what's this bill you're
>handing me?" that's in no way compromising your independence.  Using
>technology is better because it takes away the outside chance that
>someone's trying to pull off some funny business but, without the
>technology, you're still probably safe most of the time.  As we've
>seen already from other posts, nothing is fool proof.
>   But back to independence and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>used a reader?  If you have, you're using another person, who's
>chosing to do something they don't have to do; either they get money
>or they don't, but it works because you get the job done and you
>aren't forcing them to do it for you.  They chose to provide their
>time to read you something-you aren't making them do anything.  Have
>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do, all the time.  (I'm starting to
>less and less just to keep my cane skills up but sometimes it's just
>the most efficient way to get stuff done.)  You can get somewhere
>independently and use a sighted guide, as long as you're getting there
>on your terms and you could do it without a guide there.
>   See what I'm saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't mutually
>exclusive.
>   Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Morning, Kurt,
> >
> >          'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd say
> > off the wall comments, about the Ibill.
> >
> > Now a truth immerges which I failed to state clearly, before.
> >
> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2 which, experience has shown me is
> > unreliable, at best.
> > Carly even the person
> >> > showing them couild not make them work.
> >> > It's interesting however that folks on this List have found good luck
> >> > with them.
> >> > Carwrote:
> >> >>That is your experience -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
> >> >>-- and I think others have found this to be true too.
> >> >>
> >> >>Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all interested folks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Truth be known, my common law husband and I had the I bill,
> >> >>>courtesy of rehab but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
> >> >>>identify paper currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of shit
> >> >>>and is not worth anything, so I submit that the manufacturers must
> >> >>>be well aware of their having themselves a niche market, in blind
> >> >>>people and the deep pocketed agencies who tend to support them, so
> >> >>>are totally exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware of
> >> >>>the exisstance of a small and needy marketplace.
> >> >>>So, in essence, don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
> >> >>>>Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to know
> >> >>>> what
> >> >>>>it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it is? I
> >> >>>> know
> >> >>>>is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if that
> >> >>>> sighted
> >> >>>>person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
> >> >>>>I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill
> >> >>>> identifier
> >> >>>>if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or the
> >> >>>> other,
> >> >>>>but so far, I can not afford either one.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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