[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Thu Jun 23 18:49:55 UTC 2011

Carly,
  I'm not exactly sure what a striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
such a measure, and I think they were right to be against it for
reasons I've already mentioned.  But, after the federal court judge
decided to side with the ACB, the NFB decided, rightly, that it may as
well be a part of the process since it was going to happen anyway.  I
don't really see the harm in this, do you?
  Best,
Kirt

On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning, Kirt,
>
>          'Seems to me though, that one ought to be able to determine
> shades of their own reality, which is how I understand the Federation
> wants its members, to conduct themselves, in the world. Yet, beyond
> the elaborate striations the existing system will need to experience,
> if such a change were to be made, how come the Federation
> didn't  speak up when it was asked, by the Mint last time that entity
> produced curency?
> :
>>Carly,
>>   We all make mistakes.  No worries.
>>   Now, just for the heck of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>>you made earlier.  (I'm only guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>>the whole message to me)  But I think you said something like this.
>>"The federation is kind of hypocritical because they rap ad noseum
>>about independence but are stuck relying on sighted people to help
>>them-depending on another person isn't independence at all!"  If I'm
>>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you saying something like that
>>so it's just my guess of what you said from the little bit gmail was
>>able to read me.
>>   Here's the thing about that.  Independence does not mean do
>>everything by yourself all the time.  It simply means you can do what
>>you want to, when you want to do it, in a way that's efficient and
>>works for you.  It means, basically, that you aren't subject to
>>another person's vision of your life, you do things the way you wish
>>to do them.  It also means you do this without really making anyone
>>else go much out of their way to help you.
>>   So think of it this way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>>most of those will be honest, almost all will be honest with other
>>people watching.  If you ask that person "hey, what's this bill you're
>>handing me?" that's in no way compromising your independence.  Using
>>technology is better because it takes away the outside chance that
>>someone's trying to pull off some funny business but, without the
>>technology, you're still probably safe most of the time.  As we've
>>seen already from other posts, nothing is fool proof.
>>   But back to independence and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>>used a reader?  If you have, you're using another person, who's
>>chosing to do something they don't have to do; either they get money
>>or they don't, but it works because you get the job done and you
>>aren't forcing them to do it for you.  They chose to provide their
>>time to read you something-you aren't making them do anything.  Have
>>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do, all the time.  (I'm starting to
>>less and less just to keep my cane skills up but sometimes it's just
>>the most efficient way to get stuff done.)  You can get somewhere
>>independently and use a sighted guide, as long as you're getting there
>>on your terms and you could do it without a guide there.
>>   See what I'm saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't mutually
>>exclusive.
>>   Best,
>>Kirt
>>
>>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>> >
>> >          'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd say
>> > off the wall comments, about the Ibill.
>> >
>> > Now a truth immerges which I failed to state clearly, before.
>> >
>> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2 which, experience has shown me is
>> > unreliable, at best.
>> > Carly even the person
>> >> > showing them couild not make them work.
>> >> > It's interesting however that folks on this List have found good luck
>> >> > with them.
>> >> > Carwrote:
>> >> >>That is your experience -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
>> >> >>-- and I think others have found this to be true too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all interested folks,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Truth be known, my common law husband and I had the I bill,
>> >> >>>courtesy of rehab but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
>> >> >>>identify paper currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of shit
>> >> >>>and is not worth anything, so I submit that the manufacturers must
>> >> >>>be well aware of their having themselves a niche market, in blind
>> >> >>>people and the deep pocketed agencies who tend to support them, so
>> >> >>>are totally exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware of
>> >> >>>the exisstance of a small and needy marketplace.
>> >> >>>So, in essence, don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
>> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >>>>Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to
>> >> >>>> know
>> >> >>>> what
>> >> >>>>it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
>> >> >>>> is? I
>> >> >>>> know
>> >> >>>>is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if that
>> >> >>>> sighted
>> >> >>>>person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>> >> >>>>I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill
>> >> >>>> identifier
>> >> >>>>if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or the
>> >> >>>> other,
>> >> >>>>but so far, I can not afford either one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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