[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Fri Jun 24 03:49:51 UTC 2011

Carley,
  Cool!  I've never been a science guy.  I'm going to straite my brain
and leave the list for a couple days.  Enjoy, everyone.

On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Kurt,
>
> As I understand it, a muscle striates when it is active. If
> therefore, a law, procedure or cultural norm striates, it flexes its
> muscle, thus changing states.
> Have fun, Kurt!
> Car23/2011, you wrote:
>>Carly,
>>   I'm not exactly sure what a striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
>>such a measure, and I think they were right to be against it for
>>reasons I've already mentioned.  But, after the federal court judge
>>decided to side with the ACB, the NFB decided, rightly, that it may as
>>well be a part of the process since it was going to happen anyway.  I
>>don't really see the harm in this, do you?
>>   Best,
>>Kirt
>>
>>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Good morning, Kirt,
>> >
>> >          'Seems to me though, that one ought to be able to determine
>> > shades of their own reality, which is how I understand the Federation
>> > wants its members, to conduct themselves, in the world. Yet, beyond
>> > the elaborate striations the existing system will need to experience,
>> > if such a change were to be made, how come the Federation
>> > didn't  speak up when it was asked, by the Mint last time that entity
>> > produced curency?
>> > :
>> >>Carly,
>> >>   We all make mistakes.  No worries.
>> >>   Now, just for the heck of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>> >>you made earlier.  (I'm only guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>> >>the whole message to me)  But I think you said something like this.
>> >>"The federation is kind of hypocritical because they rap ad noseum
>> >>about independence but are stuck relying on sighted people to help
>> >>them-depending on another person isn't independence at all!"  If I'm
>> >>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you saying something like that
>> >>so it's just my guess of what you said from the little bit gmail was
>> >>able to read me.
>> >>   Here's the thing about that.  Independence does not mean do
>> >>everything by yourself all the time.  It simply means you can do what
>> >>you want to, when you want to do it, in a way that's efficient and
>> >>works for you.  It means, basically, that you aren't subject to
>> >>another person's vision of your life, you do things the way you wish
>> >>to do them.  It also means you do this without really making anyone
>> >>else go much out of their way to help you.
>> >>   So think of it this way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>> >>most of those will be honest, almost all will be honest with other
>> >>people watching.  If you ask that person "hey, what's this bill you're
>> >>handing me?" that's in no way compromising your independence.  Using
>> >>technology is better because it takes away the outside chance that
>> >>someone's trying to pull off some funny business but, without the
>> >>technology, you're still probably safe most of the time.  As we've
>> >>seen already from other posts, nothing is fool proof.
>> >>   But back to independence and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>> >>used a reader?  If you have, you're using another person, who's
>> >>chosing to do something they don't have to do; either they get money
>> >>or they don't, but it works because you get the job done and you
>> >>aren't forcing them to do it for you.  They chose to provide their
>> >>time to read you something-you aren't making them do anything.  Have
>> >>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do, all the time.  (I'm starting to
>> >>less and less just to keep my cane skills up but sometimes it's just
>> >>the most efficient way to get stuff done.)  You can get somewhere
>> >>independently and use a sighted guide, as long as you're getting there
>> >>on your terms and you could do it without a guide there.
>> >>   See what I'm saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't mutually
>> >>exclusive.
>> >>   Best,
>> >>Kirt
>> >>
>> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>> >> >
>> >> >          'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd say
>> >> > off the wall comments, about the Ibill.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now a truth immerges which I failed to state clearly, before.
>> >> >
>> >> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2 which, experience has shown me is
>> >> > unreliable, at best.
>> >> > Carly even the person
>> >> >> > showing them couild not make them work.
>> >> >> > It's interesting however that folks on this List have found good
>> >> >> > luck
>> >> >> > with them.
>> >> >> > Carwrote:
>> >> >> >>That is your experience -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
>> >> >> >>-- and I think others have found this to be true too.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Dave
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all interested folks,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>Truth be known, my common law husband and I had the I bill,
>> >> >> >>>courtesy of rehab but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
>> >> >> >>>identify paper currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of
>> >> >> >>> shit
>> >> >> >>>and is not worth anything, so I submit that the manufacturers
>> >> >> >>> must
>> >> >> >>>be well aware of their having themselves a niche market, in blind
>> >> >> >>>people and the deep pocketed agencies who tend to support them,
>> >> >> >>> so
>> >> >> >>>are totally exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware
>> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >>>the exisstance of a small and needy marketplace.
>> >> >> >>>So, in essence, don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
>> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want
>> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >>>> what
>> >> >> >>>>it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
>> >> >> >>>> is? I
>> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >>>>is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
>> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >>>> sighted
>> >> >> >>>>person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>> >> >> >>>>I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
>> >> >> >>>> iBill
>> >> >> >>>> identifier
>> >> >> >>>>if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >>>> other,
>> >> >> >>>>but so far, I can not afford either one.
>> >> >> >>
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