[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Fri Jun 24 03:52:11 UTC 2011

Ashley,
  Before I go, I'll remind you that the UK's population is in the
neighborhood of 50 million, ours is in the neighborhood of 300
million.  That's about 6 times the difficulty in making the
transition.
  Best,
Kirt
P.S.  I'll be back in a few days.  Have fun, everyone...don't argue
yourselves to death.  *smile*

On 6/23/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carley,
>   Cool!  I've never been a science guy.  I'm going to straite my brain
> and leave the list for a couple days.  Enjoy, everyone.
>
> On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Kurt,
>>
>> As I understand it, a muscle striates when it is active. If
>> therefore, a law, procedure or cultural norm striates, it flexes its
>> muscle, thus changing states.
>> Have fun, Kurt!
>> Car23/2011, you wrote:
>>>Carly,
>>>   I'm not exactly sure what a striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
>>>such a measure, and I think they were right to be against it for
>>>reasons I've already mentioned.  But, after the federal court judge
>>>decided to side with the ACB, the NFB decided, rightly, that it may as
>>>well be a part of the process since it was going to happen anyway.  I
>>>don't really see the harm in this, do you?
>>>   Best,
>>>Kirt
>>>
>>>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Good morning, Kirt,
>>> >
>>> >          'Seems to me though, that one ought to be able to determine
>>> > shades of their own reality, which is how I understand the Federation
>>> > wants its members, to conduct themselves, in the world. Yet, beyond
>>> > the elaborate striations the existing system will need to experience,
>>> > if such a change were to be made, how come the Federation
>>> > didn't  speak up when it was asked, by the Mint last time that entity
>>> > produced curency?
>>> > :
>>> >>Carly,
>>> >>   We all make mistakes.  No worries.
>>> >>   Now, just for the heck of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>>> >>you made earlier.  (I'm only guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>>> >>the whole message to me)  But I think you said something like this.
>>> >>"The federation is kind of hypocritical because they rap ad noseum
>>> >>about independence but are stuck relying on sighted people to help
>>> >>them-depending on another person isn't independence at all!"  If I'm
>>> >>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you saying something like that
>>> >>so it's just my guess of what you said from the little bit gmail was
>>> >>able to read me.
>>> >>   Here's the thing about that.  Independence does not mean do
>>> >>everything by yourself all the time.  It simply means you can do what
>>> >>you want to, when you want to do it, in a way that's efficient and
>>> >>works for you.  It means, basically, that you aren't subject to
>>> >>another person's vision of your life, you do things the way you wish
>>> >>to do them.  It also means you do this without really making anyone
>>> >>else go much out of their way to help you.
>>> >>   So think of it this way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>>> >>most of those will be honest, almost all will be honest with other
>>> >>people watching.  If you ask that person "hey, what's this bill you're
>>> >>handing me?" that's in no way compromising your independence.  Using
>>> >>technology is better because it takes away the outside chance that
>>> >>someone's trying to pull off some funny business but, without the
>>> >>technology, you're still probably safe most of the time.  As we've
>>> >>seen already from other posts, nothing is fool proof.
>>> >>   But back to independence and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>>> >>used a reader?  If you have, you're using another person, who's
>>> >>chosing to do something they don't have to do; either they get money
>>> >>or they don't, but it works because you get the job done and you
>>> >>aren't forcing them to do it for you.  They chose to provide their
>>> >>time to read you something-you aren't making them do anything.  Have
>>> >>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do, all the time.  (I'm starting to
>>> >>less and less just to keep my cane skills up but sometimes it's just
>>> >>the most efficient way to get stuff done.)  You can get somewhere
>>> >>independently and use a sighted guide, as long as you're getting there
>>> >>on your terms and you could do it without a guide there.
>>> >>   See what I'm saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't
>>> >> mutually
>>> >>exclusive.
>>> >>   Best,
>>> >>Kirt
>>> >>
>>> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >          'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd
>>> >> > say
>>> >> > off the wall comments, about the Ibill.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Now a truth immerges which I failed to state clearly, before.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2 which, experience has shown me
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > unreliable, at best.
>>> >> > Carly even the person
>>> >> >> > showing them couild not make them work.
>>> >> >> > It's interesting however that folks on this List have found good
>>> >> >> > luck
>>> >> >> > with them.
>>> >> >> > Carwrote:
>>> >> >> >>That is your experience -- mine is that the iBill works quite
>>> >> >> >> well
>>> >> >> >>-- and I think others have found this to be true too.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Dave
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all interested folks,
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>Truth be known, my common law husband and I had the I bill,
>>> >> >> >>>courtesy of rehab but, after repeated attempts to make the
>>> >> >> >>> thing
>>> >> >> >>>identify paper currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of
>>> >> >> >>> shit
>>> >> >> >>>and is not worth anything, so I submit that the manufacturers
>>> >> >> >>> must
>>> >> >> >>>be well aware of their having themselves a niche market, in
>>> >> >> >>> blind
>>> >> >> >>>people and the deep pocketed agencies who tend to support them,
>>> >> >> >>> so
>>> >> >> >>>are totally exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware
>>> >> >> >>> of
>>> >> >> >>>the exisstance of a small and needy marketplace.
>>> >> >> >>>So, in essence, don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
>>> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want
>>> >> >> >>>> to
>>> >> >> >>>> know
>>> >> >> >>>> what
>>> >> >> >>>>it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what
>>> >> >> >>>> it
>>> >> >> >>>> is? I
>>> >> >> >>>> know
>>> >> >> >>>>is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
>>> >> >> >>>> that
>>> >> >> >>>> sighted
>>> >> >> >>>>person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>>> >> >> >>>>I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
>>> >> >> >>>> iBill
>>> >> >> >>>> identifier
>>> >> >> >>>>if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
>>> >> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >> >>>> other,
>>> >> >> >>>>but so far, I can not afford either one.
>>> >> >> >>
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