[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 14:13:26 UTC 2011

I know.
I'd just like to know how he's doing.
Blessings, Joshua

On 5/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>   From what I know of the man, he'd be the first to accept changes
> made to the code if they were constructive.
>   Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 5/21/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> If only, Dr. Nemeth, could post here!
>> I hope he's doing well.
>> Has anyone heard from him?
>> If so, please contact me, off list.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 5/21/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>> I am not saying that Nemeth should be replaced, but I do feel that people
>>> need to realize that the Nemeth Code itself replaced what was called the
>>> Taylor
>>> Code in the 1950's and it was a pretty complete change.  From what I know
>>> about the Taylor code, it was not as complete as is Nemeth, so it seemed
>>> to
>>> be a good move.  The point is that we had to go through a significant
>>> change
>>> and we made it.  Any change should not be made lightly, though, and we
>>> need to learn as much as we can about any change before supporting or
>>> opposing it.  We also need to understand what is happening in print as
>>> well.
>>>  I
>>> am not a person who believes braille has to reflect print exactly, but
>>> there
>>> are things that happen in print that play a role in education,
>>> particularly,
>>> that
>>> didn't happen fifty years ago.  I have also traditionally opposed
>>> changing
>>> braille just to make it easier to translate using a computer, but I think
>>> that this now
>>> plays a larger role with refreshable braille displays and access to
>>> untranslated electronic texts.  This all goes beyond Nemeth Code itself,
>>> though.  There
>>> are things that might be done that are less aggressive than a unified
>>> code
>>> like UEB or NUBS, I don't claim to be an expert there.  I simply don't
>>> think
>>> we
>>> should oppose something because it is change, nor should we embrace
>>> something simply because it is new.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2011 01:39:43 -0400, Josh Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>>People have talked about losing Nemeth as far as I understand it.
>>>>That, (JMHO) will not happen.  We as blind people have become so
>>>>used to it, that, if another code were to be introduced, as
>>>>others have rightfully said, it'd take a while for it to be
>>>>adopted, as well as for us to learn it.  So I don't think Nemeth
>>>>will vanish and I like it more than UEB because it has more of
>>>>what I'm used to, contractions.  While I * could * learn and use
>>>>it, for me, Nemeth is the way to go.
>>>>Josh
>>>
>>>>sent from my Apex
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>>>Hi Chris,
>>>>I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In
>>>>print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In
>>>>braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>>>>letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>>>>theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
>>>>what a text says, making it more like print.
>>>
>>>>The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>>>>learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>>>>and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>>>>rather clunky and unwieldy.
>>>
>>>>I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code
>>>>would be better than the current systems used.  But having one
>>>>code does seem like it might simplify things.
>>>
>>>>Just my thoughts,
>>>>Greg
>>>
>>>>On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, -ris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>>>>don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>>>>literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>>>>different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>>>>in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>>>>affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>>>motto)
>>>
>>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>>>>code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>>>>literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>>>>by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>>>>not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>>>>I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>>>>here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>>>>can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>
>>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>>>>unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>>>>integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>>>>challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>>>>code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>>>>mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
>>>>main
>>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>>>>Algebra.
>>>
>>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>>>>general.  What
>>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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