[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

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Sun May 22 02:29:38 UTC 2011


Chris,
I agree. Why do we need the same symbols? Sighted people use different 
symbols for math and science.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

But my point is if print readers use different symbols for
letters than numbers and math symbols,
why do we need the same symbols for numbers and letters in
Braille? So then...  would you also recommend a unified code for
print?

Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
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Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Hi Chris,
I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In
print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In
braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
letters depending on context.  The unified system would
theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
what a text says, making it more like print.

The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
rather clunky and unwieldy.

I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code
would be better than the current systems used.  But having one
code does seem like it might simplify things.

Just my thoughts,
Greg

On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:

Hi Greg,

My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
different symbols for different operations in math than they are
in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?

Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
can be improved and better used in general though.

As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.

-Greg


On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
changed, or it becoming obsilete.
Nemeth Code will stay around!
I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
Blessings, Joshua


On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
main
reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
Algebra.

On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
To: NABS-L
Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
general.  What
about the future of Nemeth?
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