[nabs-l] question on Ipods

Sun Jan 1 06:43:16 UTC 2012

Ashley,
  If you're saying these things about touch screens without any actual
experience, I'd highly suggest giving the touch screen a shot anyway.
I have an IPhone 4s (lots more complicated than an iPod nano), and I
don't really have to know where icons are on the screen.  Just
flicking from right to left moves you through a list of icons, much
like the arrow keys move you through a jaws menu, and when you double
tap to open the icon you don't even have to be touching it.  That
works about 95 percent of the time for me on my iPhone, and judging by
what people are saying about the nano that's all you'd ever need.  If
you've already tried the touch screen and found it lacking, feel free
to ignore everything I just said, but I really think it's silly to
knock something you've not personally used.  I thought touch screens
would be totally impractical, for the same reasons you mentioned,
before I actually decided to give it a shot and see what they were
like.  Just a thought.
  All the best and happy new year,
Kirt

On 12/31/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> It does have a screen you need to see. It's basically a larger version
> of the nano 5th generation that Chris described, but it doesn't talk.
> Buy a nano! If you end up hating it just blame it on me :)!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> but does the classic have a screen you need to see? If it only has buttons
>> that would be usable.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:07 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> The iPod classic does not have VoiceIver. If you need an accessible
>> music player get a nano. You will love the thing, really!!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>> It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth
>>> generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different
>>> people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How
>>> does
>>> it operate? Does it have voice over?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Oh, so that must be the touch screen one.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
>>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
>>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
>>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> The Sixth Generation.  It was released in September of last year.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> It must be.  I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I
>>> guess I was
>>> wrong.  What is the latest Nano model?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I checked online.  The Ipod nano must be a touch screen.  Chris,
>>> yours with
>>> the touch wheel and buttons must be older.
>>> The description said
>>> Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano.  The large
>>> icons make
>>> scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout,
>>> radio
>>> station, or clock face easy.  View icons one at a time, or
>>> display four
>>> icons on each screen.  And you can change the order of the icons
>>> to find
>>> your stuff fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ashley-----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple.  I don't want
>>> a touch
>>> screen.  So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the
>>> shuffle.
>>> You say yours is a fifth generation.  I'll see if that is still
>>> sold.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb  size;
>>> maybe four or
>>> six gb would do for me.
>>> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone
>>> keypad? On the
>>> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button.
>>> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much
>>> and do
>>> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano.
>>> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape.  I've also used
>>> the clock
>>> face reference to learn button functions.  Yes the  ipod shuffle
>>> is old.
>>> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> Here are some answers to your questions:
>>>
>>> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's
>>> come in a
>>> lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano.  There are 16 gig models
>>> too.
>>>
>>> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in,
>>> to the
>>> best of my knowledge.  It might have started with the 1st
>>> generation Nano,
>>> though; I can't remember.
>>>
>>> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination
>>> of a
>>> touch screen and buttons.  However, you can't really tell that
>>> they are
>>> buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks
>>> like a touch
>>> screen.  To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to
>>> raise
>>> them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did
>>> what.  I then
>>> used the clock-face technique to learn it.  On the Nano, the
>>> button at: 12
>>> o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an
>>> album or go
>>> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is
>>> in shuffle
>>> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go
>>> back button,
>>> and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.)
>>> The button
>>> in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK"
>>> or
>>> "select" button.  If you are hearing a song and you want to know
>>> the title
>>> and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center
>>> button and
>>> VoiceOver will tell you.  You may have to do this twice.  And if
>>> you shake
>>> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to
>>> shuffle"
>>> feature.  The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like
>>> gesture is
>>> when you are in a menu.  Just a little flick (1 finger) forward
>>> will move
>>> you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to
>>> the
>>> previous item in the menu.  When you get to the item you want,
>>> hit the
>>> center button.
>>>
>>> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me
>>> know!
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with
>>> that
>>> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a
>>> present
>>> to me a few years ago.
>>> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1
>>> gig, which
>>> I?셫 discovering is not big enough!
>>> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it
>>> would be
>>> too easy to press the wrong thing.  Are any ipods screen based
>>> but not a
>>> touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation
>>> ability
>>> with them? By chapter?
>>> I might get an ipod again  with a bigger memory capacity and
>>> wondered my
>>> options.  I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use;
>>> few
>>> buttons.  So I might stick with that.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
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