[nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Mon Jan 23 22:41:24 UTC 2012

Didn't we have a Microsoft person who spoke at the national 
convention last year? Or was that another year?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:32:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Here is the contact us link on Microsoft's website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=mscom .  If anyone 
does have a
contact at Microsoft that would, however, be best.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

 David,
 I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible.  2007 
wasn't too
 bad from what I heard.  I did not try it though.  I have 2010 
and feel its
 less accessible.  As someone already said, access is not 
accessible and in
 2007 it was.  Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
 Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the 
accessibility
 department or whomever handels access issues there.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
accessible as
 time goes on.

 If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
recommend
 contacting Microsoft from their website.  It is unlikely that 
they will take
 the feedback into consideration, but still.

 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.

 David
 ------------------------------**----
 David Dodge
 Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
 State University of New York Student Assembly
 English Major
 University at Buffalo
 306 Clemens Hall
 Buffalo, NY 14260
 daviddod at buffalo.edu

 On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <
 ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

  As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
2010,
 especially if you find 2003.  Files created using 2007 and 2010 
can still
 be
 read and edited using 2003.  I will leave it up to you, but my
 recommendation is to use Office 2003.  There are ways to have 
both, but
 they
 are not easy or convenient.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 its my computer.  Gee would be nice to have both versions

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 No, you cannot.  Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
recommend
 just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
Office
 2003.
 If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
who has
 the
 authority to do it and explain that it would make things a 
million times
 easier.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Nicole,
 I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around.  Do you know 
if I can
 have
 them concurrently on the computer?
 It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot 
figure out
 where
 something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
menus of
 2003.

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Yes.  The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.  
I do not
 have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
well it
 works, but it is probably better than nothing.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
 arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Does JAWS 12 have this?
 Arielle

 On 1/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

  Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from 
the JAWS
 13
 help:

 Virtual Ribbon Menu
 The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
applications
 being
 released today.  Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
but are
 now
 becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
Windows 7
 operating system.  Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due 
to
 inconsistent navigation between various groups and items.  For 
example,
 when
 you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
between items
 in
 a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
group.
 Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group 
and entered
 another.  Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
difficult and
 frustrating.  Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not 
know if you
 should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

 The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, 
lets you see
 everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
with
 ARROW
 keys.  For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
Upper
 Ribbon
 tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups.  Once in a group, the ARROW, 
TAB, and
 SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
group to
 the
 next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon.  For submenus, 
SPACEBAR and
 ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus.  The Virtual 
Ribbon Menu
 is
 off by default and can be switched on or off from within 
Settings Center
 or
 the JAWS Startup Wizard.  When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
using a
 traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

  jaws 13

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 What version of JAWS are you using?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

  Hi all,

 Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new 
ribbons.
 Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
 Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to 
create
 simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
for pr
 somewhere.
 Is excell still accessible?
 I’ll need the access database for work probably.

 Ashley
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