[nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 22:41:26 UTC 2012


Don't those ribbons just look like a standard context menu?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed.  I liked it.  Frankly, 
most sighted
people do too.  I don't know why microsoft office did away with 
menus, but it
was not a good decission.  Everyone tells me they have to look 
for the
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus.  Pretty 
soon though,
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical.  
But til
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website.  It is unlikely that 
they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.


David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
2010,
 especially if you find 2003.  Files created using 2007 and 2010 
can still
be
 read and edited using 2003.  I will leave it up to you, but my
 recommendation is to use Office 2003.  There are ways to have 
both, but
they
 are not easy or convenient.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
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 its my computer.  Gee would be nice to have both versions

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
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 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 No, you cannot.  Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
recommend
 just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
Office
2003.
 If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
who has
 the
 authority to do it and explain that it would make things a 
million times
 easier.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
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 Nicole,
 I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around.  Do you know 
if I can
have
 them concurrently on the computer?
 It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot 
figure out
where
 something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
menus of
 2003.

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Yes.  The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.  
I do not
 have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
well it
 works, but it is probably better than nothing.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
 arielle71 at gmail.com
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 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
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 Does JAWS 12 have this?
 Arielle

 On 1/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from 
the JAWS
13
 help:

 Virtual Ribbon Menu
 The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
applications
being
 released today.  Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
but are
 now
 becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
Windows 7
 operating system.  Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due 
to
 inconsistent navigation between various groups and items.  For 
example,
 when
 you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
between items
 in
 a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
group.
 Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group 
and entered
 another.  Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
difficult and
 frustrating.  Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not 
know if you
 should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

 The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, 
lets you see
 everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
with
 ARROW
 keys.  For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
Upper
Ribbon
 tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups.  Once in a group, the ARROW, 
TAB, and
 SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
group to
 the
 next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon.  For submenus, 
SPACEBAR and
 ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus.  The Virtual 
Ribbon Menu
is
 off by default and can be switched on or off from within 
Settings Center
 or
 the JAWS Startup Wizard.  When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
using a
 traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  jaws 13


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 What version of JAWS are you using?

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  Hi all,

 Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new 
ribbons.
 Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
 Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
create
 simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
for pr
 somewhere.
 Is excell still accessible?
 I'll need the access database for work probably.

 Ashley
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