[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Fri Jul 13 15:53:01 UTC 2012

Joshua,
No offense or anything, but if you want this thread to go away, then why do
you keep responding to the emails? It seems to me that more emails would
cause more discussion...
Best, Hannah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:04 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Hi Gloria.
We've already beat this dead horse, yesterday.
Again, I ask that this thread go away, because as others have said, it has
run its course.
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/13/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just have a question or concern. I know this is a list for blind 
> students,
>
> so I would imagine that there are many or some under aged persons on 
> this list. I am saying I am not trying to tell others what they should 
> or should
>
> not be saying, but if there are younger people on this list reading 
> the comments, I feel we should be careful how descriptive in our
conversations.
>
> Don't take offence just a precaution.
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
>
>> Hi Brandon,
>> Again, you're making a lot of valid points, but I have to question 
>> one statement you made concerning seeing couples making out and all that.
>> Sighted people don't just watch what's being done and then 
>> automatically do it right 100% of the time, either. In fact, with sex 
>> there is no right or wrong, just what turns each individual on.
>> Learning what that is in each new relationship is like driving a new 
>> car. You may know the rules of the road, but depending on the size of 
>> the car, the speed you're going, how much traffic is on the road, and 
>> other factors, you're going to have to navigate with more or less 
>> caution each time. Only by mastering each route as you become more 
>> comfortable with it can you fall into a pattern and stick with it. 
>> But if you're used to driving on quiet country roads, and then all of 
>> a sudden you move to New York City, you have to completely change 
>> your approach. Do you see where my analogy is heading? It's not sight 
>> or lack thereof that determines how much pleasure one can receive 
>> intimately. It's the individuals in question, their level of 
>> attraction, and how well they can communicate with each other to say 
>> what feels good and what doesn't. Because let's face it, there's a 
>> lot of feeling. If we spent all our time studying and copying others, 
>> we would all enjoy the same things done the exact same way. And, as I 
>> was starting to say in the beginning of my message, practice makes 
>> perfect. No one knows for sure what works and what doesn't the first 
>> few times, or the first few times in each successive relationship.
>> Also, I forgot to address something you said in your first message 
>> concerning buying condoms. Honestly, sighted people have anonnymity 
>> when they do this. Whether a blind person knows what kind they want 
>> or not, they have to face the embarrassment of going up to the 
>> counter, asking for assistance, and then having to tell the clerk 
>> what they want. Unfortunately, there's just no way around that, so 
>> either way we lose on that scale. Maybe ordering them online could be 
>> an option if people don't want to take that route. Frankly, when I 
>> was a teenager, I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that either.
>>
>> On 7/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Nope; we are at a disadvantage in learning about sex. I think this 
>>> survey is a good idea.
>>> Without any vision, perhaps you don't realize how visual stuff is 
>>> and what you are missing. Sex is portrayed in videos and pictures. 
>>> Sighted kids learn
>>>
>>> from tv, movies, books and magazines. We do not see those pictures.
>>> I remember this  sex stuff as part of health class. We did not 
>>> discuss anything controversial. We just learned about the body parts 
>>> and functions;
>>>
>>> however, it was  kind of confusing without the visual pictures.
>>> Come on, even if you wait til marriage, do you really want your wife 
>>> teaching you basic stuff about this activity?
>>> Also, books do not mean much without a reference explaining the act. 
>>> I know
>>>
>>> from experience. When a book says a certain term, I had no clue what 
>>> it meant without looking it up! I won't get into details other than 
>>> to say I know less about sex than my peers my age.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>
>>> Hi, Amber!
>>> You're right!
>>> BTW, I like the lyrics in your signature!
>>> That's one of my favorite songs!
>>> Welcome to the list!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/12/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
>>>> Dear Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about 
>>>> sex, before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind 
>>>> of...unnecessary, I guess?
>>>> Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes 
>>>> you should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being 
>>>> blind doesn't prevent us from finding out about it the same way 
>>>> sighted people do-experiment (isn't that what most people do 
>>>> anyway?) or read books written on the topic (how confusing can text 
>>>> be?)
>>>>
>>>> Amber R. Herrin
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>>>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard Impossible is not a word It's 
>>>> just a reason For someone not to try
>>>>
>>>> Everybody's scared to death
>>>> When they decide to take that step
>>>> Out on the water
>>>> It'll be alright
>>>>
>>>> Life is so much more
>>>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>> You will find your way
>>>> If you keep believing"
>>>> -Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>
>>>> I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new 
>>>> proposed curriculum, that they're wanting.
>>>> I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know, 
>>>> what's being shown, in those slides?
>>>> Good grief!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear NFB Member,
>>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to 
>>>>>>help us with a current project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help 
>>>>>>us write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness 
>>>>>>in the area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for 
>>>>>>students with low vision and blindness that reflect current 
>>>>>>education standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals 
>>>>>>have all indicated that there is a desperate need for such a
curriculum.
>>>>>>We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>>>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found below:
>>>>>><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.sur
>>>>>>veym
>>>>>>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=htt
>>>>>>ps:/ /www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>>>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>>Mika Baugh
>>>>>>National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>>>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>>>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>>>
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