[nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Beth
thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Sat Jul 21 22:51:21 UTC 2012
Look, if it weren't for computers, I wouldn't be sending this
email, and BrailleNotes wouldn't be invented and stuff, and so on
and so forth. I'm sick and tired of people saying, "You don't
need that" when in truthh you actually do.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
To: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,"National Association of Blind
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:11:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto
dotogetaworking
computerforcoll
ege
Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to
law school?
What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by
no
means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what
happends when
your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to
compensate. I
think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we
depend on it a
bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored
with the
leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no
computers.
RJ
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From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Hi Rj,
I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex
and she
wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
discouraged
from it too.
We all struggle with one thing or another in college. Its
tough. I was
overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I
believe
your tone is too harsh. We do not know her full situation, nor
should we
discourage her from college.
Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic probation.
If she
wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize
with her
because I struggled with research too; all long complex
articles. Most
were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the
database
was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they
could skim
for relevant info in these very lengthy articles. Oh and she
said books
were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print
periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say.
Most stuff
is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any
sources i
could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not
always
reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging
aspects of
college.
So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how
stuff is
done. Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the
mac. I
believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those
issues with
rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and
fight to get
out of those assessments they want her to do.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing
with out a
mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's
part of
college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
college
material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but
you're
saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing
a
doctorate
level class RJ!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Brandon,
I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.
Research and
papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
question
and
articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
can't
be
downloaded without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's
all that
got on my nerves in college.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
Hello,
That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if
it's at a
sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close
your case.
Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal
government.
That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will
push you
around.
May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
togetaworkingcomputerfor college
I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and
play
with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I
might
talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
probablyget one-to-one training.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
getaworkingcomputerfor college
Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
rehab to do this.
As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
understand
that you can become more proficient at a technology through
practice
and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
either
have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
easily
build up on.
Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly
go
to a
library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
public
Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
on-screen
tutorials?
Arielle
On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
me from wanting a PC so much.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
aworkingcomputerfor college
Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
you should
talk to July Deeden. RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
workingcomputerfor college
On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
if I
sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
what
rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
apply to
schools just like anyone else?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
because I'm
"not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
as "no
proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
because I
want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
training, but
whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
out or
avenged.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
workingcomputerfor college
Hello,
If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
should
just
go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
this in
order
to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
a
professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
that
assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
the
adaptive
technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
supervisor
know
that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
college and
if
they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
computer.
Because
you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
failure, you
really
need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
support
in
the world.
http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
you want
in
college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
have a
Mac.
First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
for you.
They
will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
moving
and
firm
that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
have,
even
though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
is
the key
and
independence is the way.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
working
computerfor college
Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
apps
fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
assessment
and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
and
counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
the
top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
their
plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
people
go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
Thanks,
Beth
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