[nabs-l] Schools for the Blind
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 11 18:32:28 UTC 2012
Know one is held back unless you are lacking the educational requirement training needed to graduate or unless you need a year or two for independent living training. But know one is held back because their classmates are slow.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Mon, 6/11/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Schools for the Blind
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 12:45 PM
> I don't know where that guy got his
> info, then.
> It was someone that I met at Jumpstart, that told me this.
> I should've asked around, but it's sad that some of the
> smarter ones
> are held back, just because of those that aren't doing so
> well.
> I knew 2 19-year-old's, that should've graduated two years
> before I
> graduated from public school, but they ended up graduating,
> in 2008.
> I probably would've graduated later, had I not attended
> public school.
> These kids should be able to graduate, on time, with their
> sighted piers!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/11/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Josh,
> > Just so you know knowone can can attend ASB past the
> age of 21.
> >
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> > among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/10/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 11:46 AM
> >> Sophie!
> >> You don't know how bad schools for the blind are!
> >> Good grief!
> >> When I attended the Jumpstart program, at Arkansas
> School
> >> for the
> >> Blind, I was sad to see kids my age, who should've
> graduated
> >> from high
> >> school, who had straight A's, be held back!
> >> I asked around, and the oldest graduates from the
> school, in
> >> 2007, was
> >> 25 years old!
> >> That's what one former student told me.
> >> Sad!
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >> On 6/10/12, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I was very fortunate to have a good TVI for
> most of my
> >> life, but
> >> > when Hurricane Katrina hit, I was forced to
> leave home
> >> and attend
> >> > a school for the blind. I was shocked at how
> horrible
> >> it was. On
> >> > my first day there, I was taken to a VI class
> and asked
> >> to read a
> >> > braille book so that they could evaluate my
> skills.
> >> Within five
> >> > minutes, they sent me right back to class. The
> TVI's
> >> there had
> >> > nothing new to teach me. I was in a
> third/fourth-grade
> >> class, and
> >> > the work was first-grade level. This boils
> down to we
> >> need better
> >> > TVI's and more of them.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students
> mailing
> >> list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:11:25 -0500
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Wow!
> >> > You're right!
> >> > I didn't have a real TVI, for 6/12th grade.
> >> > My TVI, (So called,) was a special Ed teacher,
> who
> >> ended up
> >> > getting
> >> > trained as a TVI.
> >> > If she wasn't there to help me, guess where I
> was
> >> forced to go!
> >> > Yup!
> >> > Special Ed classes!
> >> > Of course, I enjoyed it, because the
> instructor knew I
> >> didn't
> >> > need to
> >> > be there, so she allowed me to help her with
> the kids,
> >> that
> >> > actually
> >> > needed the help.
> >> > Blessings, Joshua
> >> >
> >> > On 6/10/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > I'm sure many people who have talked to
> me before
> >> know what I'm
> >> > going to
> >> > say...
> >> > It's the educational system that many of
> these
> >> problems come
> >> > down to. We
> >> > have teachers coming out of school who
> are not
> >> inspired to
> >> > create a new
> >> > style of teaching. We have teachers who
> are never
> >> taught about
> >> > disabled
> >> > students. We have blind students who are
> never
> >> taught how to ask
> >> > for
> >> > accommodations. We have parents who
> think being
> >> blind is bad!
> >> > Honestly, if I could have redone my
> education as
> >> a sighted
> >> > person, I would
> >> > not have done it. Being blind is such
> an
> >> advantage in the United
> >> > States when
> >> > going through school. You get extra time
> on
> >> everything, you get
> >> > leniency on
> >> > all your assignments if you can't finish
> them on
> >> time, you get
> >> > free
> >> > schooling, you get paid to go through
> school by
> >> SSI, you have so
> >> > many
> >> > scholarships you can apply for, you can
> use the
> >> law to fight for
> >> > accessibility with little retribution,
> you become
> >> great friends
> >> > with your
> >> > teachers just because you get to talk to
> them all
> >> the time, you
> >> > are by
> >> > nature a very active participant in your
> class,
> >> you are able to
> >> > read your
> >> > books 1000 times faster than all of the
> other
> >> students combined,
> >> > you're able
> >> > to get tutoring for free, you don't have
> to feel
> >> ashamed for
> >> > taking
> >> > advantage of any of the above benefits
> because
> >> you're disabled
> >> > and that's
> >> > what you're expected to do!
> >> > Also, the expectation of your teachers
> is rather
> >> low and when
> >> > you get 100%
> >> > on all their hardest tests they get all
> >> embarrassed, people
> >> > think it's
> >> > amazing that you're getting strait As
> when it's
> >> nothing,
> >> > (Stereotypically)
> >> > blind people are very unsocial so they
> have lots
> >> of extra time
> >> > to do school
> >> > work, you're able to actually edit your
> teacher's
> >> handouts and
> >> > instructions
> >> > because Jaws doesn't miss skipped
> letters, if you
> >> have a problem
> >> > with your
> >> > online test you can blame it on your
> screen
> >> reader crashing the
> >> > web browser,
> >> > state colleges gobble you up if you have
> ever
> >> taken an honors
> >> > class at a
> >> > community college and you have good
> grades and
> >> you've written
> >> > one of those
> >> > inspiring essays, when you write
> inspiring essays
> >> you can get
> >> > the super
> >> > arrogant feeling for a moment and say
> "That's me
> >> in the essay!",
> >> > you're able
> >> > to participate in all kinds of extra
> activities
> >> through agencies
> >> > like Global
> >> > explorers or the Light House, you can
> participate
> >> in summer job
> >> > programs
> >> > like YES1 and YES2 in Washington State,
> when you
> >> go to community
> >> > college or
> >> > state college you're given a guide
> through the
> >> school because
> >> > you need a
> >> > mobility lesson and you have the
> disability
> >> resource person...
> >> > I should probably stop, but you get the
> idea...
> >> > It's probably because I was homeschooled
> for the
> >> first few years
> >> > of my life
> >> > and did all kinds of super awesome
> things with my
> >> overly amazing
> >> > parents and
> >> > didn't enter public school till 5th
> grade that I
> >> have this view
> >> > of school,
> >> > but I understood that I could learn in
> public
> >> school and it was
> >> > just that
> >> > either the teacher wasn't teaching me or
> that I
> >> wasn't equipped
> >> > with the
> >> > skills or technology that was keeping me
> from
> >> learning.
> >> > There are many other factors in
> learning, like
> >> Gardiner's
> >> > multiple theory
> >> > of intelligences that play a factor in
> if one
> >> learns in school,
> >> > but thank
> >> > goodness I was able to learn that anyone
> can
> >> learn from anyone,
> >> > they just
> >> > need to know how they learn and learn
> that way!
> >> > I can give examples, but this email is
> already
> >> super long, so
> >> > I'll get off
> >> > education.
> >> > My point is that most blind people
> aren’t
> >> taught about all the
> >> > above things.
> >> > I was super lucky because my parents let
> me run
> >> my IEP meetings
> >> > and my mom
> >> > became a TVI half way through my
> schooling, but
> >> every blind
> >> > person needs to
> >> > know that school can be amazing! It is
> worth
> >> spending 8-12 years
> >> > of your
> >> > life there getting your music degree or
> dentist
> >> degree.
> >> >
> >> > Another factor is that disabled people
> are fit
> >> into even a
> >> > tighter mold of
> >> > what they are to be when disabled people
> are the
> >> most unique of
> >> > anyone.
> >> > Blind people do not belong in special ed
> classes
> >> because they
> >> > don't need
> >> > special ed. Special ed teachers are
> people who
> >> teach extreme
> >> > cases of
> >> > autistic or other mentally disabled
> people. If a
> >> blind person is
> >> > put into
> >> > that environment and they don't need it,
> they
> >> will go insane!
> >> > It's like if
> >> > Stephen Hawking would have been born
> totally
> >> disabled and people
> >> > stuck him
> >> > into special ed just because he can't
> talk!
> >> > Where would cosmology be?
> >> > Sadly it's those who break out of the
> mold and
> >> assimilate their
> >> > own way into
> >> > sighted culture in order to evade the
> label of
> >> mentally disabled
> >> > that are
> >> > fighting for these rights.
> >> >
> >> > I keep on telling people that if someone
> is
> >> considered weird
> >> > it's not them
> >> > that's weird, it's you who's weird for
> thinking
> >> that they're
> >> > weird. It's
> >> > like you thinking the person in front of
> you is
> >> going through
> >> > time the same
> >> > way you are!
> >> >
> >> > Sadly the world is not reasonable, so we
> have to
> >> shuck reason
> >> > and go for
> >> > emotion. That's why we write all the
> super
> >> inspiring essays and
> >> > that's why
> >> > we have to assimilate into the sighted
> world.
> >> > Those who end up working in low under
> minimum
> >> wage jobs have
> >> > probably not
> >> > learned how to assimilate enough to pass
> off as
> >> "normal" in the
> >> > sighted
> >> > community, so that's probably why they
> can't get
> >> the entry level
> >> > jobs.
> >> >
> >> > Before someone gives the line about not
> needing
> >> to be anything
> >> > other than
> >> > blind because we are blind, let me just
> say that
> >> most of this
> >> > world likes to
> >> > think they are sighted and normal. Most
> people
> >> like to walk with
> >> > the crowd.
> >> > Those who never learn to walk with the
> crowd are
> >> considered
> >> > weird, those who
> >> > learn how to walk with the crowd then
> figure out
> >> how to rise
> >> > above it are
> >> > considered great.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Arielle Silverman
> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:27 PM
> >> > To: National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Hi Brandon,
> >> > These are all good points. I like your
> statement
> >> about blind
> >> > people
> >> > who are "nurtured to act like they are
> mentally
> >> disabled" as I
> >> > have
> >> > met a few people who unfortunately seem
> to fit
> >> that description.
> >> > The problem is that there is no
> objective test to
> >> determine what
> >> > a
> >> > person is or is not capable of doing.
> Even
> >> so-called objective
> >> > tests
> >> > like IQ tests are incredibly biased and
> don't
> >> account for
> >> > environmental factors that artificially
> limit
> >> people's abilities
> >> > or
> >> > knowledge, like what is expected of them
> by
> >> parents and
> >> > teachers, or
> >> > what skills they are or are not taught.
> There is
> >> research
> >> > showing that
> >> > when people are expected to behave or
> perform in
> >> a certain way,
> >> > they
> >> > tend to fulfill that expectation (this
> is called
> >> a
> >> > "self-fulfilling
> >> > prophesy; if you're interested in the
> research,
> >> look up
> >> > "Pygmalian
> >> > effect"). So when teachers are randomly
> told that
> >> some kids are
> >> > smarter than others, they tend to treat
> those
> >> "smart" kids
> >> > differently
> >> > without even realizing it and eventually
> the
> >> "smart" kids end up
> >> > performing better than the other kids.
> The
> >> reverse pattern too
> >> > often
> >> > happens with disabilities. People have
> so many
> >> assumptions about
> >> > how
> >> > disabilities limit potential, and people
> in
> >> authority can act in
> >> > ways
> >> > that make those assumptions come true.
> >> > I also agree that people with
> disabilities would
> >> be much more
> >> > productive in sheltered jobs if they did
> work
> >> that was
> >> > intrinsically
> >> > interesting to them and if the work was
> in a
> >> field they were
> >> > actually
> >> > good at. It is common knowledge that
> people of
> >> all ages and
> >> > mental
> >> > abilities will do a better job at any
> task if
> >> they find the task
> >> > enjoyable and motivating. Too often,
> sheltered
> >> jobs are simply
> >> > too
> >> > boring to really engage people. Also,
> people with
> >> disabilities
> >> > have
> >> > their own talents that are rarely
> utilized in
> >> sheltered jobs. I
> >> > have
> >> > figured out that if I were forced to do
> a
> >> sheltered workshop
> >> > job, I
> >> > would probably be the one losing them
> money if
> >> they paid me at
> >> > minimum
> >> > wage, because I have never been good at
> making
> >> stuff with my
> >> > hands or
> >> > using machines. Not only would I be
> bored to
> >> tears, but I just
> >> > wouldn't be good at it. I am much better
> at
> >> writing and thinking
> >> > and
> >> > doing math, so I hope that society will
> let me
> >> use those skills
> >> > instead of forcing me to do work I'm not
> skilled
> >> at.
> >> > Regarding your comment about
> unemployment among
> >> the blind, it is
> >> > true
> >> > that many fields are accessible to the
> blind
> >> these days, yet the
> >> > unemployment rate is still staggering.
> There are
> >> many reasons
> >> > for
> >> > unemployment among the blind. I think
> one reason
> >> is that
> >> > employers
> >> > want to hire applicants with relevant
> experience,
> >> and in many
> >> > fields,
> >> > the entry-level position that people get
> at first
> >> to gain
> >> > experience
> >> > isn't accessible to the blind. This
> might not be
> >> true with
> >> > programming, but in some fields it is
> really hard
> >> to get your
> >> > foot in
> >> > the door even if it's easier to work at
> higher
> >> levels. For
> >> > example,
> >> > before becoming a teacher, you need to
> do student
> >> teaching,
> >> > which
> >> > means you are working under someone else
> who
> >> might not use
> >> > accessible
> >> > materials or who will doubt your ability
> to do
> >> the job. Without
> >> > experience, it's harder to allay
> people's initial
> >> discriminatory
> >> > doubts and fears about hiring a blind
> person.
> >> Also, even within
> >> > an
> >> > accessible field, individual employers
> might use
> >> materials that
> >> > aren't
> >> > accessible to the blind. So even though
> >> programming is very
> >> > accessible, if some employers require
> you to use
> >> languages or
> >> > scripts
> >> > that aren't accessible, this will limit
> job
> >> options.
> >> > Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 6/9/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > It's a tricky situation. We can't really
> say what
> >> it's like
> >> > being mentally
> >> > disabled and it's hard to say what
> mentally
> >> disabled can or can
> >> > not do. We
> >> > also can't tell if the blind who are
> nurtured to
> >> act like
> >> > mentally
> >> > disabled
> >> > people really are mentally
> disabled.
> >> > *That's a mouthful!*
> >> > I am of the opinion that mentally
> disabled people
> >> are way under
> >> > employed
> >> > and
> >> > jobs like Goodwill are completely the
> wrong job
> >> for many of
> >> > them. But I'm
> >> > not a professional and I can only say
> from
> >> personal experience
> >> > that many
> >> > mentally disabled people can do what
> they want
> >> quite well and
> >> > often it's
> >> > because they are babied and
> misunderstood
> >> that they are
> >> > pressured into
> >> > doing jobs they aren’t good at.
> >> >
> >> > I do wonder the need of blind adults to
> be
> >> working at good will
> >> > in the
> >> > first
> >> > place though when it's not that hard
> learning
> >> programming and
> >> > it's pretty
> >> > easy to get reeducated for free in the
> United
> >> States as a blind
> >> > person. If
> >> > your career isn't working out, I don't
> see why
> >> one wouldn't just
> >> > take a
> >> > class at their community college and
> change their
> >> job. I believe
> >> > SSI is
> >> > for
> >> > college students and those fresh out of
> college,
> >> or for a back
> >> > up when
> >> > work
> >> > isn't coming. I am still a student, but
> I know I
> >> have for sure
> >> > jobs if I
> >> > go
> >> > into programming or being a TVI. So
> other than
> >> the moral
> >> > issues, I'm not
> >> > sure why capable blind people are
> working at
> >> goodwill.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Arielle Silverman
> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:32 PM
> >> > To: National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> > I don't shop at Goodwill either, but I
> was
> >> regularly donating
> >> > items
> >> > like used clothes to Goodwill, and my
> parents do
> >> as well. A
> >> > customer
> >> > boycott might not matter much but a
> donor boycott
> >> would probably
> >> > hurt
> >> > them considerably. I have to say I found
> Justin's
> >> arguments very
> >> > persuasive. I just hope that if we
> boycott all
> >> branches
> >> > nationally, we
> >> > make it very clear that what we want is
> a change
> >> to national
> >> > policy.
> >> > Interestingly, I used to rent an
> apartment from a
> >> woman (I'll
> >> > call her
> >> > S) whose full-time job was to be a
> live-in
> >> caretaker for a woman
> >> > with
> >> > Down's syndrome and significant mental
> >> retardation (I'll call
> >> > her C).
> >> > Since I rented the apartment right below
> theirs,
> >> I got to know
> >> > both S
> >> > and C quite well and learned a bit about
> C's
> >> situation.
> >> > Apparently C
> >> > is employed by a program for people
> with
> >> intellectual
> >> > disabilities
> >> > similar to Goodwill's but it wasn't
> Goodwill
> >> itself. I think S.
> >> > told
> >> > me that C. was paid around $1 per hour
> for doing
> >> an extremely
> >> > menial
> >> > job although I don't remember what that
> job was
> >> exactly.
> >> > However, I
> >> > don't think C. had any living expenses
> at all
> >> because she lived
> >> > rent-free with S. She may have been
> helping pay
> >> for groceries.
> >> > The
> >> > program she was in was very custodial
> and I'm not
> >> sure she even
> >> > had
> >> > independent access to the money she
> earned at her
> >> job.
> >> > I don't think I can really judge whether
> people
> >> with
> >> > disabilities like
> >> > C.'s are capable of living without
> custodial care
> >> or spending
> >> > their
> >> > own money, any more than a deaf person
> should be
> >> able to judge
> >> > how
> >> > independent blind people can be. I do
> suspect
> >> that people like
> >> > C.
> >> > would achieve more if they were held to
> higher
> >> expectations, and
> >> > higher expectations should come with
> higher wages
> >> and more
> >> > freedom.
> >> > I definitely believe that anyone who
> lives
> >> independently should
> >> > be
> >> > paid at least the minimum wage, and I
> think it is
> >> clear that
> >> > blindness
> >> > by itself doesn't prevent anyone from
> living
> >> independently.
> >> > However, I
> >> > do wonder if minimum wage is necessary
> for those
> >> who don't have
> >> > living
> >> > expenses or who don't manage their own
> finances
> >> because they are
> >> > living in custodial care situations. I'm
> sure
> >> there are people
> >> > in
> >> > these custodial arrangements who
> shouldn't be
> >> there, but that
> >> > almost
> >> > sounds like a separate issue. These
> people aren't
> >> in custodial
> >> > care
> >> > because they are earning low wages, but
> because
> >> their parents or
> >> > others acting on their behalf have
> decided they
> >> don't have the
> >> > intellect or the maturity to make adult
> >> decisions. Again, this
> >> > should
> >> > never be said about people who are just
> blind
> >> without other
> >> > disabilities. As far as intellectual
> disabilities
> >> go, in some
> >> > cases
> >> > this judgment might be right; in other
> cases it
> >> might be wrong.
> >> > But if
> >> > someone is clearly not able to manage
> adult
> >> expenses, should
> >> > they be
> >> > paid adult wages? It's tricky.
> >> > I can also understand the argument that
> if
> >> noncompetitive
> >> > employment
> >> > programs for the disabled raise wages,
> they can't
> >> hire as many
> >> > workers. This ultimately means that
> instead of a
> >> bunch of
> >> > disabled
> >> > workers earning crappy wages, some will
> earn a
> >> decent wage and
> >> > others
> >> > will earn nothing. Of course, we hope
> that the
> >> reduction in
> >> > noncompetitive jobs might bring more
> disabled
> >> workers into the
> >> > competitive job market. A mandatory
> minimum wage
> >> would also
> >> > force
> >> > companies with high salaries at the top
> to
> >> redistribute their
> >> > payscale
> >> > more fairly.
> >> > Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 6/9/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I agree, Humberto, and I hope what you
> say comes
> >> true. However,
> >> > there's a
> >> > lot of change we need to make in order
> for this
> >> to happen. Even
> >> > if we
> >> > overturn the subminimum wage provision,
> and I
> >> hope and pray that
> >> > we do,
> >> > we
> >> > can't possibly tell employers that they
> have to
> >> hire people with
> >> > disabilities. So, we need to change the
> beliefs
> >> and the
> >> > attidudes of
> >> > society, including employers, about the
> >> competence of blind
> >> > people. I
> >> > know,
> >> > it's a big job, but I think we've made a
> lot of
> >> progress so far.
> >> >
> >> > Just my thoughts,
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On
> >> > Behalf Of Humberto Avila
> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:10 PM
> >> > To: 'National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list'
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Hello, I agree with this as well. I hope
> that by
> >> doing the
> >> > boycott to
> >> > this
> >> > company, in the national / universal
> spectrum, we
> >> are able to
> >> > put
> >> > pressure
> >> > on employers, and on other companies
> and
> >> corporations, as well
> >> > as
> >> > organizations who pay subminimum wages.
> We could
> >> eventually end
> >> > up
> >> > spreading the word of stopping companies
> to pay
> >> subminimum wages
> >> > and they
> >> > could even see that people with
> disabilities and
> >> including blind
> >> > people
> >> > are
> >> > capable of being paid like the sighted
> >> population. If potential
> >> > employers
> >> > see this change happening, those
> employers will
> >> have a light
> >> > bulb lit up,
> >> > and will be able to see that blind
> people are
> >> competent, then
> >> > will hire
> >> > them. Then we can make more change. I
> see this
> >> happening, from
> >> > my
> >> > personal
> >> > opinion. Let's hope that the NFB does
> this.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On
> >> > Behalf Of Sophie Trist
> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:57 PM
> >> > To: National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Justin,
> >> >
> >> > I agree with the points you've made. If
> Goodwill
> >> was boycotted
> >> > universally,
> >> > it would put more pressure on them to
> pay their
> >> disabled workers
> >> > fair
> >> > wages. Plus, if Goodwill developed a
> centralized
> >> wage policy and
> >> > gave
> >> > their
> >> > workers fair wages, other corporations
> might
> >> follow their lead.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu
> >> > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jun
> >> > 2012
> >> > 23:19:15 +0000
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > One more note: I think that local
> business
> >> decision-makers
> >> > within
> >> > Goodwill
> >> > Industries would be educated/led to
> philosophical
> >> change simply
> >> > by the
> >> > fact
> >> > that the corporate leaders of Goodwill
> Industries
> >> adopted a
> >> > universal
> >> > fair
> >> > wage policy (if they did), so that would
> help
> >> with the
> >> > education, too.
> >> >
> >> > Justin M. Salisbury
> >> > Class of 2012
> >> > B.A. in Mathematics
> >> > East Carolina University
> >> > president at alumni.ecu.edu
> >> >
> >> > 밡ever doubt that a small group of
> thoughtful,
> >> committed
> >> > citizens
> >> > can change the world; indeed, it뭩 the
> only
> >> thing that ever
> >> > has.?
> >> > 뾏ARGARET MEAD
> >> >
> ________________________________________
> >> > From: Justin Salisbury
> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:13 PM
> >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Subject: Goodwill Boycott
> >> >
> >> > Arielle, Gabe, and all:
> >> >
> >> > I like the point that you've made about
> the
> >> decentralized wage
> >> > policies
> >> > and
> >> > rewarding good locations, but do you
> think that
> >> perhaps a
> >> > benefit to
> >> > boycotting universally would be a
> possibility
> >> that Goodwill
> >> > Industries
> >> > would create a centralized
> >> > (universal) policy that all locations
> must pay
> >> their workers
> >> > fair wages?
> >> >
> >> > I feel like the end result that we want
> is for
> >> Goodwill
> >> > Industries to
> >> > adopt
> >> > a universal standard of paying all
> workers fair
> >> wages, and the
> >> > approach
> >> > that you all have mentioned seems to me
> to
> >> address the decisions
> >> > in
> >> > individual locations. I do
> understand the
> >> point of leading
> >> > local
> >> > business
> >> > leaders to undergo philosophical change
> and
> >> choose to pay their
> >> > workers
> >> > fair wages, but which item is the top
> priority:
> >> education of
> >> > individuals
> >> > or
> >> >
> >> > achievement of fair
> >> wages? That's not a rhetorical
> question; I
> >> > want to hear opinions on it.
> >> >
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> > Justin M. Salisbury
> >> > Class of 2012
> >> > B.A. in Mathematics
> >> > East Carolina University
> >> > president at alumni.ecu.edu
> >> >
> >> > 밡ever doubt that a small group of
> thoughtful,
> >> committed
> >> > citizens
> >> > can change the world; indeed, it뭩 the
> only
> >> thing that ever
> >> > has.?
> >> > 뾏ARGARET MEAD
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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