[nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
Brian Hatgelakas
brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
Mon Mar 26 14:27:38 UTC 2012
Jeff I totally agree I hate when people stereotype.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
To: <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
> Hi all, jeff again
>
> See it all comes down to a point of who you have been around, I have
> been around 3 other blind people besides the chapter metting in
> detroit MI which i don't get to go all that much anymore, I am in
> flint, and well that's a lot of gas money.
>
> But anyway, If a sited person in my kase, just takes one look at me
> and does the stairow type, and I hate that more than anything. I do
> beleave that a boy or girl, man or woman should becompletely okay with
> each other's different things and if their truly in love with each
> other, then nothing will be a problem.
>
> sorry if this does not make sence, or fits in with the rest of the
> stuff, it is very late hear, and I am about to fall over.
>
> have a good night to all
>
> Jeff Crouch
>
> On 3/25/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Love your message Desiree, and I agree that generalizations aren't a
>> good thing. I have met very few blinde men or women that would measure
>> up to my physical and cognitive perceived abilities, but that doesn't
>> mean they don't exist. On the other hand, I haven't met very many
>> blind people in general, and many of the ones I have met also have
>> some underlying condition or disability. It's important that if we do
>> have standards, we ought to apply those same standards to everyone,
>> whether sighted or blind. Unless of course one of your standards is
>> that you're going to stick with dating a sighted person ...
>>
>> Later.
>>
>> On 25.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Dez,
>>>
>>> I've never been in contact with blind women in my age bracket who have
>>> succeeded in life like I have. I myself have standards just like yours
>>> and
>>> use these on sighted people as well as blind people. If I had an actual
>>> NFB
>>> chapter full of blind people like my self in my area It would be much
>>> easier
>>> for me to network and make blind friends. My parents had beliefs
>>> similar
>>> to
>>> your parents because I never grew up around the NFB. In fact I've just
>>> recently discovered this organization in the past few years.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's a pretty big generalization. I understand that our life
>>>> experiences shape our views, and more importantly, our prejudices, but
>>>> that doesn't mean that all blind women are what you're saying they
>>>> are. In fact, I've met just as many blind young men who are what you
>>>> describe. Also, you don't know the circumstances of every blind person
>>>> who's still living at home. Of course, if you're talking about former
>>>> dating partners, I would assume you did, but I would encourage you to
>>>> have a little compassion and sensitivity to whatever emotional issues
>>>> they might be facing that cause them to have no desire to leave home.
>>>> Are they afraid of failure? Have their parents belittled, degraded, or
>>>> even abused them due to their blindness?
>>>> I understand that there are blind people, women and men, old and
>>>> young, who have a chip on their shoulder and an entitlement complex a
>>>> mile long. But you know what? You can choose not to associate with
>>>> those people. Discouraging a kid from dating blind people is quite
>>>> another thing though.
>>>> My mom once told me when I was in high school and complaining about a
>>>> relationship that didn't work out, "blind people are screwed up in the
>>>> head. You shouldn't be dating them." By saying that, no matter how
>>>> well-intentioned her response was, she was putting me in the same
>>>> category. Can you imagine how I felt? To top it all off, in high
>>>> school, relationships don't last forever, so that made it doubly
>>>> hurtful.
>>>> To summarize, I have no problem dating a blind or sighted person. I've
>>>> dated both, and have had good and bad experiences with both. I also
>>>> don't shy away from being supportive of people who might not be as
>>>> strong as you and I are. Growing up, I never had much support from
>>>> anyone. I've made a promise to myself that I won't repeat that pattern
>>>> in my adulthood. Now, if a person is clearly trying to mooch off the
>>>> system, throws a pity party constantly, refuses to practice good
>>>> hygiene, and is grossly overweight due to perpetual inactivity, of
>>>> course I won't date them. But those are my standards, and aren't
>>>> limited to blindness. I wouldn't date a sighted person with those
>>>> traits either.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>>>>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living
>>>>> under
>>>>> their parents roof. My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>>>>> same
>>>>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am. I've graduated
>>>>> college
>>>>> and
>>>>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>>>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Me neither. But I am just warning Jeff to be careful. Back then
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the
>>>>>>> High
>>>>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more
>>>>>>> luck
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> dating during college than high school. But again during the few
>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was
>>>>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> and am very happy I did. By doing this the women by the time
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get
>>>>>>>>> caught
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> in something you know won't last. Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls. Good luck
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch"
>>>>>>>>> <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee. I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people
>>>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more
>>>>>>>>>>> disastrous
>>>>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of
>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with
>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends
>>>>>>>>>>> online,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>
>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
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>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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>> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding
>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
>> up to you. Thanks.
>>
>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>> http://counter.li.org/
>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator
>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system,
>> please click here:
>> http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>
>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>> and above, please click here:
>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>>
>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com
>>
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