[nabs-l] adult discussions and high school students was RE:Long-Distance Dating

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sat Sep 8 22:37:16 UTC 2012


Hi Desiree,

That's very kind! Thank you!!

Chris



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 23:54:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adult discussions and high school students 
was RE:Long-Distance Dating

Hi Chris,
Very well said! I'm really glad you have such a healthy attitude 
about
this.  You certainly seem mature for your age and I applaud you 
for
eloquently saying what I don't think I could have nearly as well.

On 9/7/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,

 Please don't use me as a reason to tell somebody that a certain 
discussion
 can't be had on this list.  Although I'm not in a position to 
comment on
 Koby's original question because of my age and lack of 
experience on this
 topic, I do believe it is a valid question and one which is 
on-topic for
 this list, or at least for the list as it was intended to be.  
If a
 discussion about having sex as a blind person is not appropriate 
for a high
 school student such as myself to read, why do the high schools 
we go to
 offer sex education classes as part of their curricula? If we 
are not
 mature
 enough to even read a question which has any sort of sexual 
implication,
 why
 is time set aside during the school year to have class 
discussions about
 the
 truth about sex? If we are to be so sheltered as to never even 
learn the
 first thing about sex until we are full-grown adults, why are 
our parents
 encouraged by their children's schools and just about everybody 
else who
 knows anything about the education of children to teach their 
children
 about
 sex at an early age? We learn about sex, and our parents are 
encouraged
 (and
 often do) teach us about it because it is a fact of life; it is 
a part of
 the real world, whether you like it or not.  Too often young 
people as young
 as 13 or 14 are peer-pressured to have sex or to say or do 
something that
 has a sexual implication.  This is why I believe it is important 
that we
 learn about sex at an early age; the good, the bad, and the ugly 
of it.
 Then
 we will be able to make a truly informed decision as to what we 
will do in
 regards to sex.  Conversely, if we are sheltered, as you 
suggest, and don't
 learn the first thing about sex or similar subjects, we will not 
be
 properly
 prepared for the real world as it is today.  While it is 
important that
 parents teach their children morals, I believe it is equally 
important that
 they be honest with their children about what is really out 
there in the
 real world and the consequences of getting involved in things 
like sex at
 an
 early age.  While I appreciate your efforts to keep the list 
free of
 inappropriate discussion and protect me and our other high 
school students
 from inappropriate content, I feel that you are doing it to the 
extreme,
 borderlining over-protectedness and sheltering.  I joined this 
list as well
 as others knowing that I would be exposed to some parts of the 
real world
 which are somewhat adult in nature, but also knowing that I had 
the option
 not to comment on or follow those threads I felt uncomfortable 
with
 reading,
 and that there were many people on this list and others who are 
much older
 than I and therefore might talk about things I haven't been 
exposed to as
 much yet.  But I don't have a problem with this, as I respect 
everybody's
 right to freedom of speech.  In short, the fact of my being a 
high school
 student as well as a member of this list should not and (in my 
opinion)
 does
 not restrict the freedom of speech of any other member of this 
list to
 discuss what he/she wants to discuss, as long as it remains on 
topic for
 this list; that is, that it has something to do with blindness 
and/or being
 a student.  If the moderator feels that the discussion is 
off-topic, he is
 the one whose job it is to tell whoever started the discussion.  
But just
 don't use my age as support for your claim that something is 
inappropriate
 for this list.

 Chris Nusbaum

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:47 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Long-Distance Dating

 Koby: this is off topic, especially since there are high 
schoolers on here.
 Thanks, Joshua
 ________________________________________
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on 
behalf of
 Koby [kobycox at gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:42 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Long-Distance Dating

 All,
 What should I do If this girl wants to have sex when I see her?
 Koby
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 6, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> 
wrote:

 Hi, Arielle and all,
    Jason is the love I thought I'd never have.  YEs, we get on 
each
 other's nerves.  YEs, he argues with me sometimes, but people 
call him no
 good, bad, really stupid, whuatever you say they say it about 
him.  I think
 Jason has a sweet side to him.  I love Jason so much and we met 
in June.
 His mom was able to pay for the flight, but I'm afraid she won't 
this
 December or so.  I'm trying to make it easy for her to pay for 
it again so
 I
 can be down there with him.  I want Jason to know that just 
because he's
 blind, heart issues and all that, that doesn't mean that his 
life is over.
 HE can marry, he can have a relationship, he can have kids if he 
so
 desires,
 and he may engage in sex if that's whuat he wants.  Some men are 
nervous
 about sex and relationships, even Jason.  But with the help of 
my coaxing
 and calm manner, he was able to enjoy himself with me.  At least 
he doesn't
 engage in the trade of child porn and other inappropriate things 
that
 sighted men would engage in.  He has a good sense of right and 
wrong.  He
 loves chocolate for breakfast.  (hee hee), though I prefer eggs 
myself.  If
 I
 look back and turn the clock back, I see that I have not made a 
bad choice
 as some are led to believe.  Honestly, I have insecurity issues, 
and I see
 myself at fault for a stupid email I sent to his mother because 
I was truly
 upset at sommething he did that was really inappropriate and I 
don't want
 to
 share with this list.  I love Jason no matter what he does to me 
or whuaft
 I
 do to him.  All I can do is say that it's emotionally trying not 
having
 Jason near me, but this relationship is good when the winds of 
good fortune
 blow in our direction.  Arielle, Im glad at least you have a 
good
 boyfriend.
 Btw, for all of us, how can I make up with Jason's family 
without sending
 an
 email?  I really want to see him again, and supposedly his mom 
resents me
 for sending that email.  That's the only thing about the 
relationship that
 I
 don't like very much.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:01:32 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Long-Distance Dating

 Hi all,
 Cindy, I generally agree with you about keeping this list to
 blindness-related discussions.  However, I do think 
long-distance
 dating issues like the one Koby brought up are perhaps more 
relevant
 to us blind students than they are for sighted students, 
especially
 those of us who are involved in the NFB.  This is because, for 
many
 reasons, some of us want to date other blind/NFB people and 
because
 our community is so spread out, we may often end up in similar
 situations where we have to decide if we want to enter a 
long-distance
 relationship with someone we know from this community.  So I'd 
like to
 offer a brief response on-list and hope that others in similar
 situations might find it helpful.
 During college I was in a long-distance relationship with 
someone I
 met through NFB for about a year.  In hindsight I do not regret 
that
 decision at all.  I had fun, learned a lot and he and I are 
still
 friends.  I will also say that parts of it were emotionally very 
hard
 to deal with--in my particular case an airplane ticket between 
my
 location and his cost nearly $500 and we did not see each other 
for
 five months, which was emotionally trying at times.  I do not 
think I
 would do another long-distance relationship and my current 
boyfriend
 and I will be making an effort to ensure we will not have to be 
living
 in separate places for any length of time.  However, again, I 
enjoyed
 the one experience I had overall and learned a lot from it.  I 
think if
 you and this girl really like each other and you can find a way 
to see
 each other on a somewhat regular basis, there's no harm in 
trying and
 you can always decide later on to just be friends.  However, it 
is
 something to give a little serious thought to before you make 
that
 kind of commitment.  You also want to talk with her and make 
sure that
 the two of you have similar expectations for how serious of a
 relationship this will be and how often you will be able to see 
each
 other.  It will be hard if one of you is much more enthused 
about the
 relationship than the other.  But if the two of you are 
generally on
 the same page and are really committed to it, it can be fun.
 Hope this helps,
 Arielle

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