[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 14:53:52 UTC 2013

It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to think
> about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if excel would work
> in algebra?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> Sophie,
> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just give it a
> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also believe
> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try reading with
> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I may get
> some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a sophomore in high
> school, and for the past two years or so, more and more of my assignments
> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world is moving
> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward computers, and
> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to expect
> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm just
> making a point.
>>
>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:42:41
>> -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Helga,
>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, in
>> fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser at all
>> for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few science
>> classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps more
>> relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you why you
>> can't just use the braille note braille display for your braille
>> reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable braille, you
>> will be more able to provide adequett justification for why you need
>> an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>> Hope that helps,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  I
>> worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number of
>> years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>
>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text books
>> available in electronic formats that your Braille note can read, or
>> that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>
>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office may
>> need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that f
>> Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling reason that
>> PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second language and that
>> your major requires reading and comprehending complex literature (and
>> what major doesn't?), is a compelling argument in my opinion.  You
>> need to make that clear to the DS office, but you will very likely
>> have to push it if you really want it.
>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the text is
>> not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit of work
>> ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>
>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about anything.
>>
>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you could
>> read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  It is
>> likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that and not offer
> paper Braille.
>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own paper
>> Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you may need to
>> press the DS office by looking at campus options for due process - in
>> other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to provide you with a
>> format other than PDF.
>>
>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they need to
>> do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational goal.
>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This is
>> something they are required to provide.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the BrailleNote
>> apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is because I like to
>> read Braille because is my prefer way of reading especially when I'm
>> reading stories that are hard to understand the wording. I'm actually
>> doing an English major where I need to take Literature classes that
>> involve a lot of reading. Actually, this semester I took American
>> Literature before 1865, and it was very challenging for me because the
>> only accessable format of the Book  that DSS provided me was PDF
>> format, and and I got a audio cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful,
>> but not enough to understand the stories since my first Language is
>> not English, even though I speak it, I'm still working on my
>> comprehension of words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this
>> and she told me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because
>> is very expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading
>> will really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American
>> Literature after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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